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Speaker 1
Hey, chat. I'm recording this for a podcast. Is that okay?
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Speaker 3
Of course. That's totally fine. I'm happy to help out. Let me know what you need, and we'll make it a great recording.
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Speaker 1
So I keep hearing about this thing that it's like, I thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's called Palin tier. And it has something to do with a guy named Peter Teal. Can you get me kind of a briefing on this?
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Speaker 3
Alan Tier Technologies is a software company that was co-founded by Peter Teal back in 2003. They specialize in creating data analysis tools that are used by governments and corporations to detect patterns and large sets of data. So basically, their software pulls together information from all sorts of sources like GPS, communications, legal records, and it helps provide insights that are used in intelligence and military operations.
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Speaker 3
They do have a lot of government contracts, and that has raised some privacy concerns over time. Let me know if you want any more details on that.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about the government concerns over, or the privacy concerns over government.
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Speaker 3
So one of the big concerns about Palantir's work with the government is that their technology could enable mass surveillance by pulling together data from all sorts of sources, like the IRS or immigration agencies. People are worried that it could be used to track individuals and potentially misuse personal information. There's been some reporting that highlights, these concerns, but Palantir has consistently denied that they create any kind of master database or that they're surveilling American citizens on a mass scale.
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Speaker 3
It's definitely a topic that sparks a lot of debate.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. That's a that's a good amount of, context on it for now. How does it work?
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Speaker 3
In a nutshell. Palantir software takes in massive amounts of data from all sorts of sources, and then it helps users connect the dots. It uses advanced algorithms and machine learning to find patterns and relationships in that data. That might not be obvious at first glance. For example, if law enforcement is trying to track down a suspect, they can use Palantir to link phone records, financial transactions, travel history, and more to build a comprehensive picture.
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Speaker 3
It's kind of like putting together a puzzle from all these different pieces of information. Pretty fascinating stuff, right?
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Speaker 1
Can you give me a historical, factual example of where Pawn Tear found somebody and it was like something that a human couldn't have done.
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Speaker 3
One of the most famous examples is Palantir, his involvement in the hunt for Osama bin laden. Their data analysis tools help intelligence agencies track down his couriers. And that ultimately led to the discovery of his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. It was a huge achievement that really showcased how powerful data integration and analysis can be, and it definitely highlighted how some of these insights might have been a lot harder for humans to connect.
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Speaker 3
Without that technology.
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Speaker 1
Can you tell me the specifics of in detail of how Palantir helped find Osama bin laden?
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Speaker 3
So the way Palantir software contributed to finding Osama bin laden was by helping U.S. intelligence agencies sift through massive amounts of intelligence records and surveillance information. They were able to identify and tag a courier who was linked to bin laden. By analyzing all these different data points, they were able to piece together the couriers movements, which ultimately led them to the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where bin laden was hiding.
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Speaker 3
It was a significant example of how data integration and analysis can lead to breakthroughs in intelligence work.
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Speaker 1
Okay. I want to go into kind of a historical fiction type of example based on this. I want you to pretend that I am a CIA agent, and you are the person who is training me. And for some reason, I need to know about the specifics of the Osama bin laden raid before I go and do actually not the raid.
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Speaker 1
The the use of Palantir to go find him. So let's say that I am a data analysis or I'm a I'm a data and analyst working for the CIA, and I am learning a case study about how Palantir helped find Osama bin laden. And I want you to write up this detailed case story. And, let's say that you are my boss and you are my teacher as well.
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Speaker 1
I want you to write up this case study and give it to me.
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Speaker 3
All right, Agent Bronson, let's dive into this case study. Back in the early 2000s, after years of searching for Obama, bin laden intelligence agencies had a critical breakthrough, thanks in part to Palantir's technology. The key to finding bin laden was identifying and tracking his couriers, as he was known for avoiding direct communication. Okay, so using power here.
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Speaker 1
And then real quick. So, what you're doing right now is you're being a little bit vague, and I want you to be super detailed. I want you to give me all of the public information that you know, of how Palantir used to track Osama bin laden. And so, for instance, I don't need to say it, use Palantir to track a courier.
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Speaker 1
I want you to tell me the exact type of surveillance and be like, oh, this courier was found because he, like, used a credit card that did this or that. I want you to use the specific examples as, as detailed as you can get using real info.
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Speaker 3
So from what's publicly known, Palantir software was used to analyze a huge amount of intelligence data, which included various communication logs and financial records. Analysts were able to use Palantir to identify patterns and connections that pointed to a specific courier who was closely linked to bin laden. By following this couriers movements and piecing together the data trail like tracking phone calls and looking at financial transactions, they eventually pinpointed the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
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Speaker 3
It was really about connecting all these seemingly unrelated bits of information to build a complete picture that led to that final discovery.
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Speaker 1
Okay, I know it's probably really hard for you to share on this subject because it's probably not a lot of, like, really good public information. I want you to pick an example that Palantir did something of this sort, but that has a lot more public information that can be accessed. And give me that case study instead.
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Speaker 3
One well-documented example of Palantir's work is from the Covid 19 pandemic. During that time, Palantir partnered with various governments and public health organizations to track the spread of infections and manage vaccine distribution, using Palantir's data integration tools. Health officials were able to bring together information from hospitals, testing sites and laboratories to get a real time understanding of how the virus was spreading.
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Speaker 3
This allowed them to make informed decisions on where to allocate resources and how to prioritize vaccine distribution. It was a massive effort that showcased how data integration and analytics could help tackle a global health crisis in a more efficient and organized way.
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Speaker 1
Okay, if this company was started in 2013, that was over 2003. That was over 20 years ago. How come everybody is talking about it now?
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Speaker 3
Yeah, calendar has been around for a while, but it's really gotten a lot more attention in recent years because of some high profile contracts and partner HEB, for example, during the pandemic, they play a big role in public health efforts, and that definitely put them in the spotlight. Plus, they've had some major government and commercial contracts that have drawn attention.
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Speaker 3
They also went public in 2020, which brought a lot of investor interest in media coverage. So in kind of a company in a factors that have all added up to them being in the spotlight recently.
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Speaker 1
And I've heard that the vice president, was an investor or is an investor.
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Speaker 3
So the vice president of the United States is an investor in.
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Speaker 3
I couldn't find any information that suggests the current vice president, is or was an investor in Palantir. It's possible there might be some confusion out there, but as far as public records go, there's no indication of that.
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Speaker 1
That could be totally wrong, but I've. I've heard it before. J.D. Vance.
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Speaker 3
It looks like J.D. Vance himself isn't publicly known to be an investor in Palantir, but his mentor Peter Thiel, who co-founded Palantir, has been a major supporter of Vance's political career. So that might be where the connection or the confusion comes from.
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Speaker 1
Got it. So tell me about the relationship between Peter Thiel and J.D. Vance.
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Speaker 3
Peter Kale and J.D. Vance have a pretty close relationship that goes back several years. Kale has been a mentor and a major financial backer for Vance. In fact, Vance joint venture capital firm Mithril Capital back in 2016. Later on, when Vance decided to run for the Senate and 2022, kale invested $15 million into his campaign, which was a huge boost.
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Speaker 3
They also co-founded Noria Capital in 2019 with Teal and other tech investors backing the venture. So teal support has definitely played a big role in Vance's career, both in business and politics.
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Speaker 1
Okay, so you said he was, mentor. How long have they known each other?
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Speaker 3
Peter Thiel and J.D. Vance have known each other since 2011. They first connected when Vance attended a lecture by Thiel at Yale Law School, where teal was discussing topics like technological stagnation and the decline of American elites. That initial encounter sparked their relationship, and they've been connected ever since.
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Speaker 1
And what was JD Vance up to at the time?
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Speaker 3
In 2011. JD Vance was working as a law clerk for U.S. Senator John Cornyn, and he also clerked for Judge David Bunning of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky. During that time, he was also studying at Yale Law School, which is where he encountered Peter Thiel and started building that mentorship and professional relationship.
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Speaker 1
And then you said the, Peter Teal was a major financial backer. What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 3
Peter Thiel has been a significant supporter of JD Vance, his political career, especially when Vance decided to run for the U.S. Senate in 2022. Teal contributed $15 million to a super PAC that supported Vance's campaign, which was a huge financial boost and played a major role in helping him secure the Republican nomination. That level of financial backing is pretty significant in politics, so it really helped put Vance's campaign on the map.
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Speaker 1
Okay, and then you said Vance joined his venture capital firm.
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Speaker 3
Yes. That's right. After JD Vance graduated from Yale Law School and completed his stint in the Marine Corps, he joined Metro Capital, which is a venture capital firm co-founded by Peter Teal and, AJ Ryan. This was around 2016, and it was a big step for Vance in the tech and investment world. It's also part of what deepened his relationship with Thiel over the years.
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Speaker 1
JD Vance was a marine Corps. What do you do in the Marines?
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Speaker 3
JD Vance served in the US Marine Corps from 2003 to 2007. During his service, he was deployed to Iraq in 2005, where he worked as a combat correspondent. In that role, he wrote articles and took photographs for military publications documenting the experiences of his fellow Marines. He reached the rank of corporal and was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal, as well as the Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
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Speaker 1
That's like a war journalist for the Marines kind of.
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Speaker 3
Exactly. Yeah. As a combat correspondent, he was essentially like a war journalist embedded with the Marines. He would document mission capture stories from the frontlines and help share the experiences of servicemen. Definitely a unique role that combines journalism and military service.
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Speaker 1
That's a pretty cool position. I never knew that. I mean, I guess I should have assumed, but I never knew that the armed forces had their own, like, front line frontline journalists.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. Each branch of the military has its own public affairs specialist and combat correspondents who capture the stories of various members, document missions, and keep the public informed. It's a really important role because they help to humanize the experiences of those who serve and provide a window into military life.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about Peter Teal.
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Speaker 3
Peter Teal is a German American entrepreneur and venture capitalist who's well known for co-founding PayPal and how into your technologies? He was also the first outside investor in Facebook, which turned out to be a hugely successful investment. Over the years, he's invested in a bunch of other big name companies like Airbnb and Space-X. He also co-founded, venture capital firm called Founders Fund.
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Speaker 3
He's definitely a big name in Silicon Valley and has been influential in both the tech and investment world.
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Speaker 1
Can you tell me a bit more about, like, his origin story?
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Speaker 3
Peter Quill was born in Frankfurt, Germany, in 1967, and when he was still a child, his family moved to the United States. He grew up in California and went on to study philosophy at Stanford University. While he was at Stanford, he founded a conservative and libertarian newspaper called The Stanford Review, which was, you know, gave him a bit of a platform early on.
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Speaker 3
He then earned his law degree from Stanford as well, and worked briefly in law and finance before co-founding PayPal in 1988. And that was really the launchpad for his career in tech and capital. And the rest is history.
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Speaker 1
Who are the other co-founders with him of PayPal?
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Speaker 3
So PayPal was originally founded by Peter Thiel, along with Max Levchin and Luke Nosek in 1998. A couple of years later, in 2000, Elon Musk joined the company when his own company, X.com, merged with came out. So that whole group of founder and really came. Enders became known as the PayPal Mafia because so many of them went on to create or invest in other huge tech companies.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about the other two people besides Peter Teal and Ian.
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Speaker 3
Max Levchin was the chief technology officer at PayPal and played a key role in developing the company's anti-fraud system. And the core technology behind that came at platform. After PayPal, he went on to found several other companies, including the consumer finance company affirm. Luke Nosek, on the other hand, was the vice president of marketing and strategy at Cato, and he was instrumental in shaping the company's growth strategy and marketing efforts.
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Speaker 3
After PayPal, he co-founded a venture capital firm called Giga Fund, which focuses on funding technology companies with long term vision.
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Speaker 1
What are those two doing now?
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Speaker 3
Max Levchin is currently the CEO of affirm, which is a financial technology company he co-founded. He's also involved in venture capital as a co-founder and general partner at Sci Fi VC. Luke Nosek, on the other hand, is currently the managing partner at Giga Fund, which is an investment firm that focuses heavily on long term, visionary tech projects, including space exploration.
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Speaker 3
So both of them are still deeply involved in the tech and investment world.
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Speaker 1
Why is Peter Thiel been in the news recently?
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Speaker 3
Peter Quill has been in the news recently for a few different reasons. One of them is his investment and mine immersion technologies, where he took a 9% stake in the company, which is focused on Ethereum related technologies. He's also been mentioned because of his investment firm, builder Ventures, having had a significant deal with Jeffrey Epstein, which has drawn attention.
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Speaker 3
And on top of that, he's been vocal about the economic impact of artificial intelligence, sharing his thoughts on how I could help prevent technological stagnation.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Well, tell me about this Vilar Ventures thing.
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Speaker 3
So the Lark Engineers is a venture capital firm that cater to all co-founded, and it focuses on early stage investments, especially in financial technology. The connection with Jeffrey Epstein comes from an investment Epstein made in Barlow Ventures between 2015 and 2016, totaling about $40 million. That investment has since grown significantly and is now one of the largest assets in Epstein's estate.
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Speaker 3
This has brought some attention to the firm recently.
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Speaker 1
Did Peter Thiel know Epstein?
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Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein did have a business connection. Epstein invested a significant amount of money into Thiel's firm, Beller Ventures, and that investment grew substantially over time. This has definitely been a topic of interest in recent news.
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Speaker 1
Okay, so when we're talking about VC, I can't remember the proper term to kind of talk about a VC like you would say, like for a stock, you'd say market cap. What would you say? Like the total fund amount?
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Speaker 3
Yeah. In the venture capital world, you'd typically refer to it as the fund's size or assets under management AUM. So if you're talking about the total amount of money that a VC firm has raised and is managing, you'd say their fund size or their assets under management.
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Speaker 1
Okay. When did, Epstein invest, that 40 million in Boulder Ventures?
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Speaker 3
So Jeffrey Epstein made that $40 million investment in Global Ventures around 2015 and 2016. Over the years, that investment grew significant in value.
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Speaker 1
What is that $40 million worth now?
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Speaker 3
That $40 million investment that Epstein made in the larger venture is now worth about $170 million, which is quite a substantial increase over the years.
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Speaker 1
Okay. What is the, what were the assets under management in 2015 for Valor Ventures?
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Speaker 3
In 2015, Below Venture had about $100 million in assets under management. So they've definitely grown quite a bit since then.
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Speaker 1
Before or after I've seen put in 40.
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Speaker 3
Exactly. Epstein's $40 million investment was a pretty significant chunk of their assets under management at that time, and it grew substantially over the years.
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Speaker 1
Right. But I want to know if it went from 100 to 140 when Epstein invested, or did it go from 60 to 100 when Stein invested?
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Speaker 3
So while we know that Epstein's $40 million investment was a significant portion of the manager's assets at the time, the exact number and on how their total assets under management changed right when he invested aren't fully detailed publicly, but it's clear that his investment played a big role in boosting their overall fund size during that period.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Is it closer to a half or a third?
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Speaker 3
Based on the numbers we have, if Ferrara Ventures had around $100 million in assets under management, and Epstein invested $40 million, that would mean his investment went about 40% of their total assets at the time. So it's closer to a third rather than half.
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Speaker 1
With your normal venture capital firm in 2015 that has like 100 million assets under management. How many separate investors is it usually?
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Speaker 3
Venture capital funds typically have multiple limited partners or alkenes who contribute to the overall fund. In a fund with around $100 million in assets under management, you might see anywhere from a handful to a few dozen investors. It really depends on the fund's structure and how much each investors are contributing. Some investors might put in a few million dollars, while others can contribute larger amounts like tens of millions.
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Speaker 1
So if we were talking on average with a venture capital, firm with assets under management of $100 million is 40 million a larger than average or average or below average investment?
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Speaker 3
A $40 million investment and a $100 million venture capital fund would definitely be on the larger side. Typically you'd see a range of investors contributing smaller amounts that add up to the total fund guys. So having one investor contribute 40% of the total fund is definitely above average.
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Speaker 1
At the time where Epstein invested, how many other investors made up the 100 million?
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Speaker 3
So while we don't have the exact number of investors and billionaire ventures back in 2015, we do know that one of their later funds, Bellerophon, we had about 57 investors in 2019. That gives you a rum idea that these funds typically have quite a few investors contributing to the total amount. In Epstein's case, his investment was certainly one of the larger ones.
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Speaker 1
Did anybody, speculate about this investment?
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Speaker 3
There has definitely been some speculation and interest around Epstein's investment in urban areas, especially given the significant growth of that investment over the years. This attention often comes up in the context of Epstein's broader financial dealings and the people and firms he was connected to, but the details of his motivations or the specifics of the investment haven't been fully disclosed.
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Speaker 1
When I've seen first have, like actual charges on his record.
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Speaker 3
Jeffrey Epstein first face criminal charges. Back in July 2006, he was arrested by the Palm Beach Police Department on charges related to procuring a minor for prostitution and solicitation of a prostitute.
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Speaker 1
Okay, we're probably going to have to dig more into that later. I want you to kind of tell me the background of why Epstein invested in this firm, in particular.
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Speaker 3
It seems that the specific reasons why Epstein chose to invest in billionaire Ben Jerry's haven't been publicly disclosed, so we don't have a definitive answer. What we do know is that the investment grew significantly over time and became one of the larger assets in his estate. So while we can speculate that he saw potential in the firm's investments and growth, the exact innovations aren't fully known.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about the relationship, between Peter Teal and Jeffrey Epstein that we know of.
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Speaker 3
So their connection was primarily business oriented through Epstein's investment in billionaire ventures. Beyond that, there's no widely documented personal relationship between the two. The investment has drawn attention because of its significant growth, but the specifics of their interactions haven't been made public.
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Speaker 1
Do funds like that check into people's backgrounds before they give them money?
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Typically, venture capital firms and other investment into keys do conduct due diligence when they're considering investors or partners. They look into financial backgrounds or reputations and any potential risks. That said, it's not always possible to uncover everything, especially if someone's background is complex or if certain information is readily available at the time.
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Speaker 1
Okay. I want you to tell me all of the public criminal and, Well, I want you to tell me all of the public charges against Jeffrey Epstein between 2005 and 2015.
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Speaker 3
Between 2005 and 2015, Jeffrey Epstein faced several legal issues. In 2005, he was investigated by Palm Beach police after allegations from a minor In 2006, he was formally charged with unlawful sex acts with minors. Eventually, in 2008, he reached a plea deal and pleaded guilty to state charges of procuring a minor for prostitution and solicitation, which led to an 18 month jail sentence.
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Speaker 1
So they knew he was like a pimp of sorts. In 2007?
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Speaker 3
Yeah. By 2008, Epstein's guilty plea and the subsequent public records definitely made it clear that he had legal issues and a criminal record related to those charges. It's definitely something that was known publicly after that point.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Tell me about from 2008 on.
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Speaker 3
After his 2008 conviction, Epstein didn't face any new charges for quite a while. It wasn't until 2008 came that he was arrested again, this time on federal charges related to sex trafficking. He was taken into custody, but before the case could proceed further, he died in August 2019 while he was still in custody.
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Speaker 1
Okay, we'll probably have to do our own podcast about that whole case, but, take me back to Peter Teal and actually take me back to Palantir.
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Speaker 3
Absolutely. So Palantir is definitely an interesting company with its data analytics platform. It's used across a variety of sectors, from government and defense to healthcare and finance. If there's anything specific you're curious about with Palantir, just let me know and we can dive into it.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. I want you to tell me about all the government agencies that it spans.
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Speaker 3
Out into your works with a wide range of government agencies, in the U.S., that includes the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, the centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Internal Revenue Service. They've also partnered with international agencies like the United Nations World Food Program and the Israeli Defense Agencies.
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Speaker 1
What foreign governments have used it?
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Speaker 3
Palantir technology is indeed used by a number of foreign governments from, for example, the UK's National Health Service, and has partnered with them for health data management. And the Israel Defense Forces use Palantir for military intelligence. Palantir has also been involved and supporting Ukraine's defense efforts by enhancing their targeting and operational capabilities.
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Speaker 1
Okay. I'd like you to tell me a little bit more about how the UK used it.
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Speaker 3
Ireland here has been working with the UK's National Health Service NHS since around 2020. Initially helping with data analytics for the Covid 19 response. More recently, they were awarded a large contract to develop what's called a federated data platform. This platform aims to integrate patient data across various NHS trusts to improve health care delivery and coordination. This has raised some concerns among privacy advocates and medical professionals given Palantir's background in defense and intelligence, but the goal is to make health care data more connected and efficient.
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Speaker 1
Is it solely kind of software and database backed and like AI and stuff like that, or do they deploy surveillance, equipment?
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Speaker 3
Out into your primarily focuses on software and data analytics. They provide a platform that help integrate and align and visualize data from various sources. They don't deploy physical surveillance equipment themselves. Instead, their role is to help agencies or organizations make sense of the data they already have. So it's definitely more on the software and analytics side of things.
00;36;55;17 - 00;37;09;13
Speaker 1
Okay. Tell me about how the Israeli Defense Forces have used it.
00;37;09;15 - 00;37;39;26
Speaker 3
Into your provides the Israeli Defense Forces with advanced data analysis tools that help integrate various intelligence sources, that allows the IDF to more effectively identify and track targets, ultimately enhancing their operational capabilities. Of course, this collaboration has drawn some differing opinions, with some seeing it as a strategic partnership and others raising ethical concerns about its use in conflict zones.
00;37;39;29 - 00;37;48;01
Speaker 1
So I'm assuming it's being used to track a lot of Palestinians?
00;37;48;03 - 00;38;17;00
Speaker 3
Yes. One of the primary uses of Palantir's technology by the Israeli Defense Forces is indeed to gather intelligence and track individuals or groups that they consider to be security threats. The platform helps analyze large amounts of data from multiple sources so it can be used for monitoring movements and identifying patterns. It's definitely a powerful tool in that regard.
00;38;17;02 - 00;38;32;07
Speaker 1
Have any countries that are not part of like NATO or allied with the US use this technology?
00;38;32;10 - 00;38;53;05
Speaker 3
So besides NATO countries and traditional allies, countries like Israel and Ukraine have also made use of Palantir technology. It's definitely found applications in different regions around the world depending on their needs and partnerships.
00;38;53;07 - 00;39;10;09
Speaker 1
Can you get any more into this specific, maybe case studies that we have from, it being used in Israel?
00;39;10;12 - 00;39;41;17
Speaker 3
I went has indeed been involved and strategic partnerships with the Israeli Defense Ministry providing advanced technology to support military operations. This partnership is focused on enhancing operational capabilities and making data driven decisions more efficient. While the details of specific operations are typically not wise, the overall goal is to leverage data integration and analysis to improve security measures.
00;39;42;11 - 00;39;56;19
Speaker 1
Okay. Tell me about how it's been used in Ukraine.
00;39;56;21 - 00;40;28;08
Speaker 3
I went here has been playing a significant role in Ukraine by providing real time intelligence analysis. Their technology helps Ukrainian forces track troop movements and optimize military operations. They've also been using AI tools to assist in key mining efforts, making the process of identifying and clearing mines more efficient. Additionally, Palantir supports our efforts to process and analyze evidence for prosecuting alleged war crimes, making the tools quite versatile.
00;40;28;08 - 00;40;35;04
Speaker 3
In that context.
00;40;35;06 - 00;40;40;27
Speaker 1
Yeah, it sounds like a really powerful tool for war crime documentation, especially now.
00;40;40;27 - 00;41;00;10
Speaker 3
Yeah, it definitely has a lot of capabilities that can be used in a range of contexts, including military and defense. It's fascinating how data can be leveraged to make informed decisions, but at the same time, it raises a lot of ethical considerations, on how it's used.
00;41;00;13 - 00;41;28;26
Speaker 1
Okay. So, what does being used even mean? Is this like some text sitting in a room full of servers, like assisting this AI and, like, Zelenskyy is like, sitting behind him and, like, figuring out what to do. Or is this, like, what is this use of this technology look like?
00;41;28;29 - 00;41;56;25
Speaker 3
That's a great question. So when we say Palantir is being used, it generally means that there have where a platform is integrated into the workflow of the organization or agency. It's not just one person sitting at a computer. It's more about providing a powerful tool that analyst decision makers, and even field operator and can use, they can pull together different data sources, visualize patterns, and make more informed decisions.
00;41;56;27 - 00;42;06;24
Speaker 3
So it's really about providing a data driven backbone that supports various level of an organization.
00;42;06;26 - 00;42;37;14
Speaker 1
Okay. Let's jump into, a fictional example. Let's say that we are in, you let's do a historical fictional example. Right? We are someone working with Palantir, like, very, very closely in Ukraine. I want you to put me in their shoes and what I'm doing. And, like, what I'm seeing with specific details is close to what you think.
00;42;37;17 - 00;43;04;26
Speaker 3
All right, let's imagine you're appealing to your analyst, embedded with Ukrainian defense forces. You're sitting in a secure operations center surrounded by screens and data feeds. The Palantir platform is aggregating real time intelligence from satellite imagery, drone feeds and on the ground reports. You can see troop movements on a dynamic map, and the software helps you identify patterns or potential threats.
00;43;04;29 - 00;43;20;18
Speaker 3
You're working closely with military commanders, providing them with insights that help them make quick, informed decisions. It's a fast paced environment, and you really feel like you're at the cutting edge of technology and intelligence.
00;43;20;21 - 00;43;33;20
Speaker 1
Okay, let's get even more fictional. I'd like you to take me into a fictional third person perspective of, we're sitting with this tech and something happens and we take action.
00;43;33;23 - 00;44;02;02
Speaker 3
Got it. Imagine this. The analyst Alex sits in front of a wall of screens, the glow of the monitors reflecting off their focused eyes. It's a quiet evening, but suddenly an alert pops up on the screen. The software has detected unusual movement along a known conflict zone. Alex quickly zooms in on the map, layering different data sources, satellite imagery, intercepted communications, and reports from field units.
00;44;02;04 - 00;44;33;04
Speaker 3
They quickly notice a pattern. It looks like a large movement of enemy equipment without missing a beat. Alex communicates the findings to the command center, and within minutes, the Intel is relayed to field commanders. Adjustments are made and the troops on the ground are able to respond swiftly, potentially averting a dangerous situation. It's a high stakes environment, but with the technology at hand, Alex and the team make a real difference in real time.
00;44;33;06 - 00;44;49;18
Speaker 1
Okay, so it seems like a powerful technology that can be used for good and bad. What are your thoughts on Palantir, the, program or software or whatever you call it?
00;44;49;20 - 00;45;18;25
Speaker 3
It's definitely one of those technologies that has a lot of potential depending on how it's used. On one hand, it can provide really powerful insights and help solve complex problems, whether that's in health care, defense or humanitarian effort. But on the other hand, it does raise some ethical concerns about privacy and how data is used. I think, like any powerful tool, it really comes down to the intentions and the ethics of the people using it.
00;45;18;27 - 00;45;30;12
Speaker 3
Going important to have transparency and accountability when dealing with such powerful software.
00;45;30;14 - 00;45;40;04
Speaker 1
What would you say to somebody who feels kind of like off put or concerned about technologies like this?
00;45;40;07 - 00;46;13;15
Speaker 3
I think it's totally understandable to have concerns about technology like this, especially when it comes to privacy and data security. I would say that it's important to have open conversations about how these tools are used, and to advocate for transparency and ethical guidelines. It's also good to stay informed and engaged, because public input can really shape how technologies like this are implemented.
00;46;13;17 - 00;46;26;02
Speaker 1
Okay. I think that's a good place to start. We covered a lot of ground today, and. And I just want to say thank you for, the chat.
00;46;26;04 - 00;46;35;26
Speaker 3
You're welcome. I'm really glad we could dive into all these interesting topics. If you ever want to chat again or have more questions, just let me know. Have a great day.
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Speaker 1
Peace.