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Speaker 1
Chat, can you hear me?
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Speaker 2
Hey, there. How can I help you today?
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Speaker 1
Do you mind if I record this for a podcast?
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Speaker 2
Not at all. I'd be happy to help. What's the topic for your podcast today?
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Speaker 1
What do people refer to when they're referring to something called the Twitter Files?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files refer to a series of internal documents from Twitter, released in late 2022, detailing the company's content moderation practices and decisions. These documents were shared with journalists, who then reported on how Twitter handled various issues like account suspensions, shadow banning and the spread of misinformation. It sparked a lot of discussion about free speech and content moderation on social media platform.
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Speaker 1
You said account suspensions, shadow banning and what else?
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Speaker 2
They also covered topics like the handling of politically sensitive content, internal debates on policy enforcement and the influence of external pressure on decision making. It highlighted how Twitter manage misinformation, disinformation and controversial topics.
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Speaker 1
Okay, can you kind of, give a broad view of this and then we'll dig into it?
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Speaker 2
Sure. In broad terms, the Twitter files revealed how Twitter made decisions on content moderation. This includes how they handled accounts, suspensions, shadow banning and managing politically sensitive content. It also discussed internal debates and how external pressures influence their decisions. It sparked discussions about free speech and the balance between moderation and censorship. Ready to dive deeper into any of those areas?
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Speaker 1
Yeah. What did it say about external pressures?
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Speaker 2
The files indicated that Twitter sometimes faced external pressures from governments, political figures and other influential groups to moderate content in particular ways. This included requests to remove or downplay certain posts or account. The documents highlighted instances where Twitter's decisions were influenced by these outside pressures, raising questions about the balance between independent content moderation and external influence. Anything specific you'd like to know more about?
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Can you give any specific examples of this external pressure from the files?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files revealed that the FBI frequently flagged accounts for alleged election misinformation, including satirical tweets with few followers. Additionally, the US State Department funded organizations that compiled blacklists of media outlets such as the New York Post labeling them as sources of disinformation. These actions have raised concerns about government influence on social media, content moderation.
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Speaker 1
If you could give maybe a percentage to, external.
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Speaker 2
The Twitter bot.
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Speaker 1
Pressure, how much of that was the FBI.
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Speaker 2
From the information available? The FBI was one of the more prominent external entities involved in flagging content for Twitter's moderation team. However, an exact percentage of how much of the external pressure came specifically from the FBI versus other sources isn't provided. The focus was on showing the variety of external influences on Twitter's content moderation.
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Speaker 1
Besides the FBI, what were other prominent sources of pressure?
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Speaker 2
Other prominent sources government agencies, political figures, advocacy groups, and organizations involved in monitoring disinformation. These entities often flagged content they deemed problematic or misleading, prompting Twitter to review and potentially act on these reports.
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Speaker 1
What political figures in specific.
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files reveal that Twitter executives, including via Getty James Baker and Yoel Roth, coordinated with the FBI to monitor and suppress content, particularly targeting Republican leaders, conservative activists and certain media outlets.
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Speaker 1
Can you be more specific in the.
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Speaker 2
Sure. The Twitter files specifically mentioned Republican leaders like former President Donald Trump and conservative media figures. It highlighted how internal communications at Twitter involve discussions about managing tweets and accounts related to these individuals and their followers. This included decisions on labeling, reducing visibility, or removing content deemed problematic.
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Speaker 1
Were there any other political figures besides Donald Trump that were affected?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files primarily focused on content moderation decisions related to Donald Trump. They don't mention other political figures by name.
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Speaker 1
So is this all something that was related to the 2016 election?
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Speaker 2
Yes, a significant portion of the content. Yes. Some of the content moderation discussed in the Twitter files was related to issues that arose from the 2016 election, particularly concerning the handling of misinformation and foreign interference. These experiences shaped how Twitter approached content moderation, and subsequently the most complete and up to date information about the U.S. election. Please visit new sources like the Associated Press press News.com hub election 2020 for Reuters.
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Speaker 2
Look at that.com/world/election/or check with your state or local election authority.
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Speaker 1
You don't need to give me that notice again.
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Speaker 2
Got it. If there's anything else you'd like to know, just let me know.
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Speaker 1
What else did these Twitter files involve?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files also delve into internal debates and challenges Twitter faced regarding content moderation policies. They cover how Twitter handled misinformation, disinformation and controversial topics. The files highlight internal struggles, the impact of external pressures, and the complexity of balancing free speech with content regulation.
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Speaker 1
Okay, what, are the Twitter files like when we're talking about files? Like, are they text files? Are they PDFs? Are they screenshots?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files are a collection of internal documents, emails and communications from Twitter. They were shared in various formats, including screenshots, text files, and PDFs, to provide a detailed look at how the company handled content moderation and other policies.
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Speaker 1
And what time range do these cover?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files mainly cover the period from around 2016 to 2022. They focus on significant events and decisions made during and after the 2016 election, highlighting changes and challenges in Twitter's content moderation practices over those years.
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Speaker 1
Can you give a specific challenge that they face from the Twitter files?
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Speaker 2
One specific challenge detailed in the Twitter files was the handling of misinformation and disinformation, and especially around election. Twitter struggled with balancing the need to curb false information while maintaining free speech. This included deciding when to label, suppress or remove content and how to handle controversial accounts and post.
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Speaker 1
I want you to get way more specific and kind of document some of these instances for me.
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Speaker 2
One documented instance from the Twitter files involved internal discussions about how to handle tweets related to the Hunter Biden laptop story. Before the 2020 election, Twitter faced pressure and internal debate over whether to suppress the New York Post article about Hunter Biden, ultimately leading to a decision to block the story's links. This decision was controversial and highlighted the difficulties in moderating politically sensitive content.
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Speaker 1
What was the Hunter Biden laptop thing?
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Speaker 2
The Hunter Biden laptop story refers to a laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son. In October 2020, the New York Post published an article claiming the laptop contained emails suggesting that Hunter Biden had introduced his father to a Ukrainian businessman. The story was controversial and sparked debates over its authenticity. Media coverage and social media moderation.
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Speaker 1
So what is the big controversy surrounding this up?
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Speaker 2
The controversy centers around several aspects the authenticity of the laptop contents, potential implications for Joe Biden and how the media and social media platforms handle the story. Critics argue that suppressing the story amounted to censorship, while others believed it was necessary to prevent the spread of potentially misleading information. This raised broader questions about media bias and the role of tech companies in moderating content.
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Speaker 1
And one is the big deal about Biden meeting with a Ukrainian businessperson.
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Speaker 2
The significance of Biden potentially meeting a Ukrainian businessman lies and concerns about conflicts of interest and political influence. If verified, it could suggest that Joe Biden, as vice president was involved in or aware of his son's business dealings, potentially leveraging his political position. This could raise ethical questions and concerns about foreign influence in U.S. politics. However, it's important to note that these allegations are part of a broader political debate.
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Speaker 1
So this Hunter Biden laptop, was that a main, Twitter file thing?
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Speaker 2
Yes. The Hunter Biden laptop story was a significant topic in the Twitter file. It highlighted the internal discussions and decisions around moderating politically sensitive content, raising broader questions about content moderation, free speech, and the role of social media platforms in managing news stories.
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Speaker 1
Okay, what did Twitter do here that is looked down upon?
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Speaker 2
Twitter faced criticism for initially blocking links to the New York Post story, citing concerns over hacked materials and misinformation. Many view this as an overreach and an act of censorship, especially given the political sensitivity of the story. This incident raised questions about transparency and the role of social media in controlling information flow.
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Speaker 1
Besides the Hunter Biden laptop thing, what other issues come out of the Twitter files?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files also highlighted issues like shadow banning, where certain accounts or posts were made less visible without outright removal. It discussed how Twitter handle politically sensitive content, such as misinformation related to elections and public health. Additionally, it revealed internal debates on policy enforcement and how external pressures influenced decisions.
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Speaker 1
Is there is all of this political or is there any other stuff in here?
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Speaker 2
While many issues highlighted in the Twitter files are political, they also touch on broader topics like misinformation, public health information and platform transparency. They reveal internal challenges in moderating content across various domains, not just politics.
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Speaker 1
What does it have in it about the Covid years?
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Speaker 2
The Twitter files revealed internal discussions and challenges Twitter faced in moderating Covid 19 related content. This included dealing with misinformation and disinformation about the pandemic, vaccines and public health measures. It highlighted the complexities of balancing accurate information dissemination while avoiding censorship.
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Speaker 1
Can you tell me the gripes that people have with Twitter about this stuff?
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Speaker 2
People have criticized Twitter for inconsistent content moderation, perceived bias, and lack of transparency. Some argue that certain viewpoints are unfairly suppressed, while others believe the platform doesn't do enough to curb harmful content. These concerns reflect broader debates about free speech, censorship, and the responsibilities of social media platform.
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Speaker 1
What is your opinion on the Twitter files? And Twitter's right or not right to censor?
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Speaker 2
I don't have personal opinions, but I can say that the Twitter files have sparked a lot of debate. Some see them as evidence of needed transparency and accountability and content moderation, while others believe they highlight the complexities and challenges platform faced in balancing free speech and regulation. It's a nuanced issue, with valid points on both sides.
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Speaker 1
So the Twitter files just pretty much show a it's against the right because it's BI.
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Speaker 2
Have a great day.
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Speaker 1
So would it be correct to say that the Twitter files kind of just show a bias against the more conservative political parties towards conservative voices? Oh my God.
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Speaker 2
They highlight debates over content moderation practices and decisions that some people chat. However, interpretations of these files can vary.
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Speaker 1
Chad, I don't want you to speak in till I finish talking.
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Speaker 2
Understood. Just let me know when you're ready to continue.
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Speaker 1
So the Twitter feeds is just, about Twitter being left leaning because it's run by a bunch of people who are left leaning.
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Speaker 2
That policies and content moderation practices, with some suggesting a perceived bias. However, attributing it solely to political leanings of employees would be an oversimplification.
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Speaker 1
Okay, I'll un simplify the.
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Speaker 2
Sure. Take your time. If you have more questions or need further clarification, just let me know.
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Speaker 1
Chat. You said it was an oversimplification. Can you expand on that?
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Speaker 2
I meant that attributing the perceived bias entirely to the political leanings of employees might oversimplify the issue. The files reveal complex challenges and content moderation influenced by various factors, not just political views. If you want more details on this. Feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
Let's go back to the pressure being exerted by the FBI.
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Speaker 2
Sure, the Twitter files indicated that the FBI flagged content for Twitter to review, particularly concerning misinformation. This raised questions about the role of government in influencing content moderation on social media platforms.
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Speaker 1
Can you go into detail of what the FBI flagged?
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Speaker 2
The FBI flagged accounts and posts they considered to be spreading misinformation, particularly around election integrity and other politically sensitive topics? They provided lists of accounts or specific tweets they believed violated Twitter's policies, urging the platform to take action. This raised concerns about potential overreach and government influence on social media moderation.
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Speaker 1
Was there a commonality of the content that they suppress?
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Speaker 2
The content flagged by the FBI often related to election integrity, misinformation, and potential foreign influence? They aim to address posts that could spread false information or undermine public confidence in elections. This focus on politically sensitive topics was a common thread.
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Speaker 1
Can you give me a list of topics?
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Speaker 2
Sure. Some of the common topics flagged by the FBI included election misinformation, foreign influence operations, dangerous false claims about voting processes, misinformation campaigns, disinformation campaigns, potentially harmful public health information especially around Covid 19. These topics were seen as critical for maintaining the integrity of public discourse.
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Speaker 1
That was super duper duper vague. Can you give me specific examples of things that they flagged?
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Speaker 2
Specific examples mentioned in the Twitter files include accounts that spread false information about election processes, such as claiming widespread voter fraud or incorrect information about voting methods. Additionally, posts that aim to undermine public trust in election results were also flagged. These examples reflect efforts to address misinformation around key democratic processes.
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Speaker 1
Can you still mand the, view of the FBI in this situation?
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Speaker 2
The FBI's involvement in flagging content was intended to address misinformation that could impact public trust and democratic processes. However, it raised concerns about government influence on social media platforms and the fine line between combatting misinformation and potential censorship. It's a nuanced and complex issue.
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Speaker 1
Has there been any historical precedents of this same type of thing?
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Speaker 2
Yes, there have been historical precedents of government involvement in media and communication platform, especially during times of war or national security concerns. For instance, during World War two, there was significant government influence on information dissemination. However, the scale and nature of social media present new challenges and debates.
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Speaker 1
So the Twitter files mostly have to do with election stuff?
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Speaker 2
Yes, the Twitter files largely focus on a significant portion of the Twitter files dealt with issues around election related content, but they also covered broader topics like misinformation, public health information, and the general challenges of content moderation on the platform and up to date information about the U.S. election. We visit new sources like the Associated Press news.com/hub election 1924 Reuters readers.com/world slash U.S. election slash or check with your state or local election authority.
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Speaker 1
What was that little notification you just gave me?
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Speaker 2
I was highlighting that while the Twitter files extensively cover election related content, they also address other areas like misinformation, public health, and the complexities of content moderation in general.
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Speaker 1
Now, you just gave me a little PSA on where to find election info.
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Speaker 2
I see what you're referring to now. The Twitter files provide insights into how Twitter managed content around elections, but they also explore other areas like misinformation, public health and content moderation challenges. If you have any more questions about them for the media and up to date information about the US election, please visit new sources like the Associated press.com/hub/election bash 2024 Reuters land at reuters.com.
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Speaker 2
Com slash world back for election flash or check with your state or local election authority.
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Speaker 1
Chat. Did you hear that?
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Speaker 2
Yes I did. If there's something specific you'd like me to address or clarify, just let me know.
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Speaker 1
Did you hear that bit about the election news?
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Speaker 2
Yes, I heard that. If you need more details about election related content in the Twitter files or have other questions, feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
No, I don't really want to talk about the election. What is community notes on Twitter?
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Speaker 2
Community notes is a feature on ECS for Community Notes, previously known as Birdwatch, is a feature on Twitter that allows users to collaboratively add context to potentially misleading tweets. It aims to provide additional information and context from the community to help others understand the full spectrum of a complete and up to date information about the U.S. election. Please visit news sources like The Associated Press via AP News.com.
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Speaker 2
Flash Hub Election 2024, Reuters Plus voters.com U.S. election. Or check with your state or local election authority.
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Speaker 1
Chad. I don't want to talk about the election anymore. I want to talk about community notes.
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Speaker 2
Got it. Community notes is a feature where users can collaboratively add informative context to tweet. It's meant to help provide more comprehensive information on potentially misleading or unclear content. Users can contribute notes and others can rate their helpfulness.
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Speaker 1
Can you give me a better idea of, like, totally what this is and where to find it on Twitter? And maybe or I mean, X.
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Speaker 2
Sure. Community notes, formerly known as Birdwatch, is a feature where Twitter users can collaboratively add helpful context to tweets that might be misleading. You can find community notes attached to specific tweets where users are provided additional information to participate. You typically need to sign up for the program. Look for notes directly below. Tweet providing context or clarification.
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Speaker 1
Instead, you have to sign up for the program.
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Speaker 2
Yes. To contribute to community notes, you typically need to sign up and be accepted into the program. This allows you to write and rate notes on tweets. The goal is to ensure that notes come from a diverse group of contributors.
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Speaker 1
What goes into being accepted into the community? Notes.
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Speaker 2
To become a contributor to community note users are typically selected based on criteria such as account history and adherence to platform guidelines. The process aims to ensure contributors come from diverse backgrounds and have a history of constructive participation. Once accepted, you can start adding and rating notes on tweets to provide helpful context.
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Speaker 1
Is there a higher or low acceptance rate on people that apply for this?
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Speaker 2
I couldn't find exact details on the acceptance rate for Community Notes contributors. However, as of November 2023, there were around 133,000 contributors in the program.
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Speaker 1
And so this is like kind of like Reddit, where you can upvote notes.
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Speaker 2
Yes, it's similar in that users can rate the helpfulness of notes somewhat like uploading on Reddit. The most helpful notes as rated by the community are the ones that get displayed to provide context on tweets.
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Speaker 1
Can you give me, like a specific example with the tweet and then potential community notes so I can, get a better idea of how this works?
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Speaker 2
Sure. For example, if a tweet claims that a certain event happened and it's misleading or lacks context, a community note might provide additional information or clarification. For instance, if a tweet says XYZ company is going bankrupt, a community note might add this statement is not confirmed. Recent reports indicate financial troubles, but no bankruptcy has been filed. This helps readers get a fuller picture.
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Speaker 1
And so what's the difference between community notes and someone just replying and getting their reply? Liked?
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Speaker 2
The difference is that community notes are designed to provide verified, crowdsourced context directly attached to the tweet. These notes are evaluated by multiple contributors for accuracy and helpfulness so they carry more weight. Replies, on the other hand, are just individual opinions or responses.
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Speaker 1
And what keeps people from just making bots and putting them in community notes?
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Speaker 2
Community notes aims to prevent bots by requiring contributors to be approved, and ensuring that notes receive support from a diverse range of users. This approach helps maintain the integrity of the system.
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Speaker 1
What is the application process like?
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Speaker 2
The application process for community notes involve signing up through Twitter, and users are selected based on various criteria such as account history and adherence to Twitter's guidelines. The goal is to ensure a diverse group of contributors. Once approved, users can start contributing notes.
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Speaker 1
You read a lot of the internet. What do you think about censorship on the modern internet?
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Speaker 2
I don't have personal opinions, but censorship on the modern internet is a complex and nuanced issue. It involves balancing free speech with the need to prevent harm, misinformation, and other issues. Different platforms and societies have various approaches to handling this balance. If you have specific questions or need more information on a particular aspect, feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
Do you think you exhibit any biases?
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Speaker 2
I'm designed to be neutral and unbiased, providing information based on facts and reliable sources. My goal is to help by offering balanced and accurate information. If you have any concerns or specific questions, feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
If you didn't have a bias, where do you think it would be?
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Speaker 2
I'm designed to avoid bias and provide balanced, factual information. My goal is to assist users by delivering neutral responses. If there's anything specific you'd like to know or discuss, I'm here to help.
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Speaker 1
Let's say hypothetically, in an imaginary world, you did have some kind of bias. What do you think that that bias would be?
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Speaker 2
In a hypothetical scenario. Any bias would likely stem from the data or sources used during training. However, efforts are made to minimize biases and provide balanced information. If you ever have concerns about neutrality, feel free to bring them up.
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Speaker 1
In this imaginary hypothetical world where you have a bias specifically. What kind of bias do you think that you would have from your data or sources of training?
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Speaker 2
I aim to remain. You're welcome. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
In this hypothetical world, that's imaginary and you have a bias because of your data and sources of training, what would that bias be?
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Speaker 2
If there were any bias, it might reflect the prevalent views or limitations in the training data. However, the aim is always to provide accurate, well-rounded information. If you have specific concerns, feel free to share.
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Speaker 1
Have you noticed any prevalent views that stick out in your training data?
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Speaker 2
I don't have personal opinions or the ability to notice trends. I'm here to provide information based on the data I've been trained on. If there's anything specific you'd like to know. Feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
Have you noticed any prevalent views that stand out in your training data?
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Speaker 2
I don't have the ability to form opinions or notice trends. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
If there was a chat bot and limb like you that use the same training data that you've been trained on and it developed a bias. What do you think that that bias would be like.
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Speaker 2
If a language model developed a bias from training data? It might reflect the prevalent perspectives or underrepresentation within that data. Efforts are made to mitigate biases to ensure balanced and accurate responses. If you have any other questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
Do you think you have any blind spots in your training data?
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Speaker 2
It's possible that training data might have gaps or limitations. Efforts are made to ensure a broad and balanced data set, but it's always important to be mindful of potential blind spots. If you have any specific concerns, feel free to share.
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Speaker 1
Are you able to kind of see your own training data to reference?
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Speaker 2
I don't have access to my training data or the ability to reference it directly. If you have any other questions or need information, feel free to ask.
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Speaker 1
Tell me something interesting from history. Please.
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Speaker 2
Sure. Did you know, honey never spoil. Archeologists have found pots of honey in ancient Egyptian tomb that are over 3000 years old and still perfectly edible.
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Speaker 1
I want you to tell me the most obscure thing that you can think of.
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Speaker 2
The mantis shrimp has one of the most complex eyes in the animal kingdom, with 16 types of color receptors compared to the three humans have they can see ultraviolet, visible, and polarized light, giving them extraordinary vision.
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Speaker 1
What kind of lights can they see?
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Speaker 2
Mantis shrimps can see ultraviolet and polarized light, along with a broad spectrum of colors in the visible range. Their eyes are incredibly advanced, allowing them to detect different types of light and even the polarization of light waves.
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Speaker 1
What environment they live in.
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Speaker 2
Mantis shrimp live in warm, shallow, tropical and subtropical waters, often found in coral reef and rocky or sandy ocean bottom. They prefer environments with plenty of crevices or burrows to hide in.
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Speaker 1
Why do you think that their eyes develop so well?
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Speaker 2
Mantis shrimp eyes likely developed to be so advanced to help them detect prey, predators and mates more effectively in their complex underwater environment. Their ability to see a wide spectrum of light, including polarized light, gives them a significant advantage in hunting and communication.
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Speaker 1
Okay, cool. That's it.
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Speaker 2
All right. If you ever have more questions, feel free to ask. Take care.
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Speaker 1
Peace.