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Speaker 1
Gemini, can you hear me? Okay.
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Speaker 2
All right. I'm ready to chat. What's on your mind?
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Speaker 1
Do you mind if I record this for a podcast?
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Speaker 2
Not at all. Feel free to record our conversation.
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Speaker 1
Okay. There was a story in the news within the recent year or two about exploding pagers involving, I think, Hezbollah and Israel, which just.
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Speaker 2
You're right. There was definitely news about exploding pagers and their connection to Hezbollah and Israel. It was pretty wild. Do you want to talk more about the story or something else?
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Speaker 1
Would you give a brief overview of what this story is for anybody, including myself, who's, involved in this conversation slash listening.
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Speaker 2
Basically, there was a bunch of news reports last year about pagers that were rigged to explode when turned on. These pagers were distributed to Hezbollah, a militant group based in Lebanon. The explosions injured hundreds of people. No one took responsibility for the blast, but many people think Israel was behind it.
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Speaker 1
Oh, interesting. No, they don't know who did it.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, it's a weird one for sure. Even though everyone thinks Israel was behind it, they've never actually said if they did it or not.
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Speaker 1
Hang on one second.
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Speaker 1
Okay. I'm back. Oh, it was going crazy.
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Speaker 2
Okay. It's a pretty wild story. You're not alone in feeling a little crazy after hearing about it.
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Speaker 1
What, was Hezbollah? What is Hezbollah?
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Speaker 2
Hezbollah is a political party and militant group based in Lebanon. They have a lot of influence in the country, and some people consider them a terrorist organization. They've been involved in a lot of conflict with Israel over the years.
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Speaker 1
Where is Lebanon?
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Speaker 2
Lebanon is a small country in the Middle East, right on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea. It's kind of bordered by Syria to the north and east and Israel to the south.
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Speaker 1
Is that on the continent of Africa, or is that technically Asia?
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Speaker 2
That's a good point. Technically, the whole region is part of a huge landmass called Eurasia. But if you're looking for a simpler answer, most people think of Lebanon as being in Asia.
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Speaker 1
When did when was Hezbollah founded?
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Speaker 2
Hezbollah was founded in 1982, right after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
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Speaker 1
And what is it? It's, an organization.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Hezbollah is a political party and militant group. They're a big deal in Lebanon and have a lot of influence there. They're known for their strong opposition to Israel and the U.S..
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Speaker 1
Can you give me, more detailed background of them?
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Speaker 2
All right, so Hezbollah started off as an armed resistance group against Israel back in the 80s. They've got strong ties to Iran and their whole mission is focused on fighting against what they see as Western and Israeli influence in the Middle East. Over the years, they've become this big deal in Lebanon. They've got political power, their own TV station, and even provide social services to people.
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Speaker 2
It's kind of complicated because while some see them as freedom fighters, others call them a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, that that's, pretty much the way it always is. Right?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, it's definitely one of those situations that's complicated to figure out. You've got some people who think they're the good guys and others who see them as a major problem.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Give me your best effort to, explain both perspectives.
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Speaker 2
All right, so some people think of Hezbollah as freedom fighters standing up to Western and Israeli influence in Lebanon. They point out that Hezbollah provides social services, has political power, and was instrumental in getting Israeli troops to withdraw from southern Lebanon. Basically, they see them as strong defenders of Lebanese independence. On the other hand, some see Hezbollah as a terrorist organization that uses violence to achieve its goals.
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Speaker 2
They point to Hezbollah's involvement in attacks against civilians. Their support from Iran and their opposition to the existence of Israel. These folks think of them as a big threat to regional stability.
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Speaker 1
Who are common targets of Hezbollah?
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Speaker 2
Hezbollah has got a long history of targeting Israel and its allies. Think of Israel, the U.S., and Western interests in the region. They've been known to use rockets, suicide bombing and other tactics to attack military and civilian targets.
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Speaker 1
If you had to give it a percentage split of civilians dead from Hezbollah, or militants dead from Hezbollah, what would you put that number at?
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Speaker 2
It's hard to say exactly, because different groups track this stuff and they don't always agree. But most sources say the number of civilians killed by Hezbollah is way higher than the number of militants they've killed. Some reports say as high as 90% of the casualties are civilians.
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Speaker 1
What's your opinion on that? Yeah, my.
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Speaker 2
Well, a lot of people would say that targeting civilians is never okay. War is complicated, but those types of attacks make things even worse. It creates more enemies, makes peace harder to achieve, and makes it really difficult for innocent people to feel safe.
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Speaker 1
I want you to talk more on that, talking point. I'd like you to give me maybe three, 500 words on kind of just what you said.
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Speaker 2
All right, let's dig into this a bit deeper. The use of violence against civilians is a serious violation of international humanitarian law. It's a war crime. Plain and simple. When you target civilians, it creates a cycle of revenge and hatred that makes it nearly impossible to find a peaceful solution. It also undermines any kind of legitimacy that an armed group might claim to have.
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Speaker 2
There's also the human cost to consider. Every civilian death is a tragedy. It tears families apart and leaves communities shattered. The psychological impact of these attacks can last for generations. This kind of violence breeds more violence, and it makes it nearly impossible for people to trust each other. Finally, there's the big picture. When groups target civilians, it makes it so much harder to find a peaceful solution to the conflict.
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Speaker 2
It creates this atmosphere of fear and mistrust that makes compromise nearly impossible. It also gives other countries a reason to get involved, which can turn a regional conflict into something much bigger and more dangerous.
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Speaker 1
That was a very good description. Thank you.
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Speaker 2
You're welcome. Do you want to talk more about this topic or something else?
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Speaker 1
I would like to talk about the pager incident specifically and the tech behind it.
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Speaker 2
All right. So those exploding pagers were basically improvised explosive devices or IEDs that were disguised as regular pagers. They were designed to go off when the pager was turned on. We don't know for sure who actually built them, but it would have taken some technical skill and specialized equipment. Do you want to know more about IEDs in general, or do you want to focus on the pager incident specifically?
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Speaker 1
So, I've heard the number 500 pagers. Is that correct?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. You're right. The initial reports were that around 500 pagers were involved, but it's kind of hard to say for sure since the whole thing was so chaotic.
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Speaker 1
Did they all explode at the same time?
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Speaker 2
No, they didn't all go off at once. It happened over several days. So it was a really chaotic situation.
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Speaker 1
Can you give me the best timeline with detail about what the events that occurred, starting with maybe the first explosion.
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Speaker 2
All right, so the first explosion happened on January 23rd, 2024, in the Bearcat Valley area of Lebanon. That's where Hezbollah has a pretty strong presence. After that, there were a bunch of other explosions over the next few days, with some reports saying they happened in other parts of Lebanon and even in Syria. The Lebanese government put out statements condemning the attacks, but no one claimed responsibility.
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Speaker 1
How big were the explosions?
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Speaker 2
The explosions weren't huge, like a bomb going off, but they were powerful enough to injure a bunch of people. Most of the injuries were cuts and burns from the major itself, exploding.
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Speaker 1
Like if I was carrying the pager in my pocket. Would it kill me?
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Speaker 2
It's hard to say for sure. The injuries from the blast were pretty bad, but it probably depended on how close you were to the explosion and whether you were wearing something that offered protection.
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Speaker 1
I'd like you to go into more into the actual tech. Why don't we start with the specifics of the explosive?
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Speaker 2
All right, let's dig into the courses. First up, you've got introduction to human computer interaction. This one's all about how.
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Speaker 1
Gemini and how.
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Speaker 2
They work together. You'll learn about designing websites and apps that are in Gemini. I'm interrupted. There's algorithms and data structure. No worries. Happens all the time. What can I help you with?
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Speaker 1
We had a misunderstanding there. I don't think I spoke clear enough. I want to talk about the pages again. And I want to talk about the tech of the pages. And I want to talk specifically about the specifics of the explosives. To start.
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Speaker 2
All right. So we don't actually know a lot about the specifics of the explosives used in the pagers. It's likely they were a pretty simple design. Maybe something like black powder or another low explosive. The focus would have been on making a small but powerful enough blast to damage the pager and anything nearby. They probably didn't need anything super complex for that.
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Speaker 1
What are current theories on the design of the explosives? Was, the black powder like you said before? Or was it something more complex, like C-4 or whatever else there is?
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Speaker 2
All right, so there's a lot of speculation about how those pages were rigged to explode. Some experts think it was something simple, like black powder, while others think it might have been a more sophisticated explosive. The tricky thing is that we don't have a lot of official information about what was actually used. A lot of the details are still kind of a mystery.
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Speaker 1
Were there any unexploded pages that were recovered that we know of?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I'm pretty sure none of the exploded pages were recovered intact with the way those things went off. There probably wasn't much left to find.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about the size of a pager and the tech inside of it.
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Speaker 2
All right, so most pagers back then were pretty small. Think of them like a really short, wide rectangle, maybe about three inches across and an inch thick. They were designed to fit in your pocket or clip onto your belt. The text part was usually on a small screen, kind of like a calculator display, but smaller. It could show letters and numbers, but not a whole lot of characters at a time.
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Speaker 1
So people really haven't been using pagers widely for like 30 years or 20 years or whatever it is. Why were these people using pagers?
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Speaker 2
That's a great question. Even though cell phones were around, pagers were still used in some circles, especially for work. They were cheap, reliable and really good at one thing getting a message to someone no matter where they were. Some people still use them today in certain jobs, like construction or security, where you need to be reachable but don't want the hassle of a full blown phone.
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Speaker 1
Why were the members of Hezbollah using pagers instead of cell phones?
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Speaker 2
That's a good question. Even though cell phones were more common, pagers still had some advantages for Hezbollah. For starters, they're really simple. Just a one way message. No back and forth like a phone call. That made them harder to track and trace. Plus, pagers worked in more places, especially rural areas, or during combat situations where cell service might be spotty.
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Speaker 1
Would a pager have better reception than, texts being sent over a phone?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. That's right. Pagers used a totally different network than cell phones, so they could sometimes get a signal where phones couldn't think of really remote places, or even inside buildings with thick walls.
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Speaker 1
So pagers send signals over different kinds of.
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Speaker 2
Pagers use a totally different system than cell phones, but use something called a radio frequency, or RF to send signals. Think of it like a really specific radio station that only pagers can hear.
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Speaker 1
So, an RF signal that's sent out by a pager. How is this set up? Do they? How has the infrastructure for this?
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Speaker 2
All right, so the infrastructure for pagers is a bit different than what you're probably used to with cell phones. Instead of cell towers, pagers rely on these things called towers or base stations. Think of them like little radio transmitters that send out signals across a specific area. When you pitch someone, the message goes to the nearest tower and then it gets relayed to the pager itself.
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Speaker 1
And cell phones use, microwave frequencies.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. That's right. Cell phones use a different kind of radio frequency than pagers. It's called a microwave frequency. And it's what gives cell service. It's much wider range.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about the difference between, actually, disregard that. Tell me about how the technol, the technology of RF versus microwave differ.
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Speaker 2
All right. So RF and microwave signals are actually pretty similar. They're both types of radio waves. But they have different properties that make them better for different things. RF signals the kind that pagers use are lower frequency waves. That means they're better at traveling long distances, even through stuff like walls and buildings, but they can't carry as much information as higher frequency wave microwave signals.
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Speaker 2
What cell phones use have a much higher frequency. That means they can carry a ton of information like your calls, text, and even video. But they don't travel as far and they get blocked by things like walls and buildings.
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Speaker 1
Why are they able to carry more info?
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Speaker 2
Think of it like this with a higher frequency, you've got more space to pack information. And it's kind of like comparing a really skinny pipe to a really wide one. You can fit a lot more water through the wide pipe with higher frequency signals. You can send more data without things getting jumbled up.
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Speaker 1
I guess it's just kind of hard to understand because like I unders, I kind of understand the correlation between frequency and being able to store more information. But why is that?
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Speaker 2
Okay, here's the thing. Think of a wave like a water wave or sound wave. The frequency is basically how often the wave goes up and down. A higher frequency means those ups and downs have.
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Speaker 1
Gemini. Can you resume where you left off?
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Speaker 2
All right, so we were talking about how the technology of RF and microwave signals work. Do you want to continue with that, or is there something else you'd like to talk about?
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Speaker 1
Yes, I would like to continue.
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Speaker 2
All right. So we were talking about how the technology of RF and microwave signals work. Do you want to continue with that, or is there something else you'd like to talk about?
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Speaker 1
Yes, I would like to continue with that topic.
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Speaker 2
All right. So we were talking about how the technology of RF and microwave signals work. Do you want to continue with that, or is there something else you'd like to talk about?
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Speaker 1
Gemini I think you're stuck in a loop right now.
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Speaker 2
You're absolutely right. I apologize for that. Let's try again. So we were talking about the difference between RF and microwave signals. Are signals are lower frequency, which means they're better at traveling long distances. They can't carry as much information. Microwave signals are higher frequency. So they can carry more information. But don't travel as far. Do you want to talk more about the technology itself, or would you like to focus on how these differences affected the pagers and cell phone?
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Speaker 1
So what is it about the wave of a radio frequency, being higher or lower that makes information, more dense?
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Speaker 2
Okay. Think of it like this. Imagine you're trying to. All right, so there's a couple of things to consider here. First, the type of explosive they use, something simple like black powder wouldn't cause the same level of destruction as something more powerful.
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Speaker 1
Gemini. I'm interrupted.
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Speaker 2
It matters where these.
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Speaker 2
No worries. What's on your mind?
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Speaker 1
Why can, radio frequencies and, why can radio frequencies go through more things?
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Speaker 2
All right, so this has to do with something called wavelength. Imagine a wavelength like the distance between the peaks of those radio waves we were talking about. Lower frequency waves, like those used by RF signals, have a longer wavelength. Higher frequency wave like microwaves have a shorter wavelength. It's those longer wavelength that let RF signal pass through stuff easier.
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Speaker 2
Think of it like trying to throw a big beach ball through a fence. It's easier than trying to throw a small tennis ball.
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Speaker 1
Can we discuss this from kind of, an atomic level?
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Speaker 2
All right, let's dive into the atomic level. So when those radio waves, whether they're low frequency or high frequency, hit something, they interact with the electrons in the atoms of that material. With lower frequency waves, there's less energy. So they're more likely to just pass through those electrons with higher frequency waves. There's more energy, so they're more likely to get absorbed or bounce off those electrons.
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Speaker 1
And what is energy really at this point?
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Speaker 2
That's a great question. And it gets pretty complicated when you start talking about the atomic level. Basically, energy at this level is the ability of something to cause change with those radio waves. The energy is carried in the electromagnetic field. When that wave hits an atom. It can cause the electrons to move or even change energy levels. It's that interaction that can cause the wave to be absorbed, reflected, or pass right through.
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Speaker 1
All right. I think that's a whole nother conversation. Let's backtrack a little bit to, To the picture.
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Speaker 2
Track a bit. Where would you like to go?
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Speaker 1
Let's talk about how, there's these differences between radio. Right.
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Speaker 2
Let's frequency thing went down. Do you want to start from the beginning, or is there a specific part you want to focus on?
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Speaker 1
I would like to talk about how the differences between radio frequency and microwave frequency differ within the infrastructure that is built around them.
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Speaker 2
All right. So the biggest difference in infrastructure comes down to the towers with cell phone towers where microwave frequencies, you need a lot more of them because the signal doesn't travel as far. Think of major cities. You've got towers everywhere to make sure you've always got a strong signal with pagers. And there are signals you don't need as many towers because the signal can travel much farther distances.
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Speaker 2
So you end up with a less dense network overall.
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Speaker 1
Okay, so I live in Austin, Texas in, area code 78748. If you had to guess how many microwave towers are in my zip code, what do you think?
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Speaker 2
Okay, this is a tricky one, since cell towers don't always stick to zip code boundaries, but I can make an educated guess. Often the growing cities. So I'd say there's probably quite a few cell towers in your area. Maybe around 5 or 6.
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Speaker 1
And how many people does that service?
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Speaker 2
Each cell tower can handle a lot of people, but the exact number depends on a few things how strong the signal is, how many other devices are connected, and even the type of phone you have all play a part. But on average, a single cell tower can handle anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand users. At the same time.
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Speaker 1
Let's say under flat and as well as mountainous conditions. What is the general distance from a cell tower that you can get reception.
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Speaker 2
All right. Let's talk about how terrain affects cell signal. In a perfect world with flat land, the signal from a cell tower can travel pretty far, sometimes up to 45 miles. But that's really ideal. Mountains or hills? Mess with the signal. They can block it completely, or they can make the signal weaker by the time it reaches you.
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Speaker 2
So in those situations, you might only get good reception a few miles from the tower. Does that answer your question?
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Speaker 1
Yes it does. Can you answer the same question but using radio frequency?
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Speaker 2
With RF signals, you're talking about a much wider range. In ideal conditions, with flat terrain, an RF signal could travel up to 100 miles or more. But just like with cell towers, things like hills and buildings can block or weaken the signal. So while you might need fewer towers for RF, the distance between them can be a lot greater.
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Speaker 1
Okay, let's let's have a, given mountainous terrain to which the cell tower was only able to make it about, a mile. How far? Just an estimate. Do you think that the radio frequency tower would go under the same conditions as the other?
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Speaker 2
Okay, so with a cell tower only reaching about a mile, you're definitely in some seriously mountainous terrain. In that case, an RF signal could do a lot better. Even with those tough conditions, I'd guess an RF signal could probably still reach around 10 or 15 miles. It's hard to say exactly without knowing the specific layout of the mountain, but RF signals are a lot better at getting around obstacles.
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Speaker 1
Okay, this is going to be like a really technical question, but is the drop off for cell towers and RF towers based on blockages or walls or mountains or whatever? Is that linear or. No.
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Speaker 2
That's a great question. The way signal strength drops off isn't exactly linear. It's more like it follows a curve. You get the biggest drop in signal right near the tower, and then it starts to level off a bit the farther you get away. So you wouldn't lose exactly the same amount of signal strength for every mile you travel.
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Speaker 1
In a flat area. Can you give me rough estimates of percentage drop off for each and the the distance. Maybe a mile. Ten miles something.
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Speaker 2
Okay, for a really rough estimate, let's assume we're in a wide open flat area. You'd see the biggest drop in signal strength, right? As you start moving away from the tower. After that, it starts to taper off. For a cell tower, you might lose something like half your signal strength within the first mile. After that, it might drop off by another 20% or so for the next few miles.
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Speaker 2
With an RF signal, the drop off is less dramatic. You might only lose 10% of your signal in the first mile, and it would take a lot longer to reach that 50% mark.
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Speaker 1
What is a lot longer?
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Speaker 2
Though with an RF signal, it would take a lot longer to lose half your signal strength compared to a cell tower signal. I'd say it could take around 3 or 4 times the distance. Remember, this is just a rough estimate, and there are a bunch of factors that can change things like how powerful the signal is to begin with.
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Speaker 1
Is the dropoff over distance with RF linear, or is it like kind of a inverse exponential or logarithmic for whatever you call it?
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Speaker 2
It's actually closer to an inverse square law. That means the signal strength gets weaker as the square of the distance increases. So if you double the distance, the signal strength drops by a factor of four.
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Speaker 1
And that's for RF.
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Speaker 2
That's right. Both RF and cell tower signals follow that inverse square law. It means the signal strength drops off pretty quickly as you get farther away.
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Speaker 1
And RF is less influenced by obstructions.
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Speaker 2
You're absolutely right. RF signals are less influenced by obstacles like walls and buildings compared to microwave signals. This is because of their longer wavelength, which means they can bend and diffract around objects more easily.
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Speaker 1
My like a significant multiplier to.
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Speaker 2
Okay, this is a bit tricky without knowing the specific environment, but generally speaking, if you have a really strong RF signal and minimal obstructions, you could get a significant boost in range, maybe even double or triple the distance you'd normally get. But if there are a lot of buildings or hills in the way, the difference wouldn't be as dramatic.
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Speaker 1
Take what you just said and go in a way more detail and repeat it.
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Speaker 2
All right, so RF signals are less affected by obstacles compared to microwave signal. This is because RF waves have a longer wavelength, which means they can bend and spread around things like buildings and trees. Because of this, RF signals can travel farther distances in environments with lots of obstructions in really clear, open areas with minimal obstacles, an RF signal could potentially travel twice as far or even farther compared to a microwave signal.
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Speaker 2
But if there's a lot of stuff in the way, the difference won't be as dramatic.
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Speaker 1
Would a mountain side, significantly affect what order would Earth? Does Earth, affect it more than a mountain?
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Speaker 2
Fundamentally affect both RF and microwave signals, since they both rely on line of sight to travel, a big mountain in the way would block the signal completely. You might get some signal on the other side of the mountain, but it would be much weaker than if the mountain wasn't there.
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Speaker 1
Can radio waves even go through mountains?
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Speaker 2
You're right. Radio waves can actually pass through mountains to some extent. It's called diffraction. Think of it like when water we'd bend around the edge of something. Radio waves can do something similar, but not as dramatically so. You might get some signal on the other side of a mountain, but it would be really weak, and you'd need a pretty powerful transmitter to make it work.
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Speaker 1
Does it go through or up and over?
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Speaker 2
It kind of does. But when radio waves hit a mountain, some of the energy gets absorbed, some gets reflected, and some actually bends around the mountain. So you end up with a signal that's both weaker and has traveled a longer path.
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Speaker 1
Does any go through?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, a tiny bit of the signal might actually pass through the mountain, but most of it's going to be blocked or reflected.
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Speaker 1
When you say a tiny bit, what would you say percentage wise?
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Speaker 2
Well, it's really hard to say an exact number without knowing the specific mountain and frequency of the radio waves, but as a very rough estimate, I'd say you might get less than 1% of the original signal strength coming through the other side. So if you had a really strong signal to begin with, maybe you get enough to receive a basic message, but it would be pretty unreliable.
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Speaker 1
What about that same exact question I asked you? But with cell waves?
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Speaker 2
All right, so I misspoke a bit earlier when I said cell wave, I should have said cell signal. Cell signals are the same as microwave signals. They're just the name for the signal that your phone uses to connect to a cell tower. Does that clear things up?
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Speaker 1
Yes.
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Speaker 1
So I want you to answer the same exact question, but with microwaves.
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Speaker 2
All right, so with microwave signals, even less gets through a mountain than with RF signals. That's because they have a much shorter wavelength. So they're more easily absorbed or reflected by solid objects. You'd be lucky to get any signal at all on the other side of a mountain with a microwave signal.
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Speaker 1
Okay, if we're talking buildings, what kind of materials affect, how do different types of materials like stone or wood or whatever can you compare that to with those kinds of items?
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Speaker 2
All right. So different materials definitely affect how radio waves travel. What materials like wood, let radio waves pass through pretty easily. Others like metal or thick concrete, can block the signal completely. It's kind of like how light behaves. Some materials are transparent, some are translucent, and some are opaque. Radio waves work in a similar way.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about how different kinds of metals affect radio waves.
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Speaker 2
All right. So most metals are really good at blocking radio waves. Think of them like a wall but the signal can't get through. Some metals are better at this than others, but overall they're not friendly to radio waves. The thickness of the metal also matters. A thin sheet of metal will block some of the signal, but a thick metal wall will block it almost completely.
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Speaker 1
Why specifically is metal good at blocking radio waves?
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Speaker 2
All right, so metals are really good at blocking radio waves because of something called free electron. These are basically electrons that aren't tightly bound to the atoms in the metal. So they can move around really easily. When a radio wave hits a metal, it causes these free electrons to start moving back and forth. This creates an electric current that opposes the original radio wave.
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Speaker 2
It's kind of like a mirror image of the wave, and it cancels out the original signal.
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Speaker 1
That sounds crazy. Can you go into way more detail on that, like 500 words?
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Speaker 2
All right. Let's dive deeper into how metals block radio waves. It's all about those free electrons. Imagine a radio wave is like a gentle ripple moving through the air. When that ripple hits the metal surface, it causes those free electrons to start moving back and forth. This creates a kind of mirror image of the original wave called an induced current.
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Speaker 2
This induced current generates its own electromagnetic field, which works against the original radio waves. It's like two waves crashing into each other. They basically cancel each other out. This is why metals are so good at reflecting radio waves and stopping them from passing through. Now here's where it gets interesting. The thickness of the metal matters a lot. If the metal is really thin, some of the radio waves might still get through, but as the metal gets thicker, it becomes much more effective at blocking the signal.
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Speaker 2
This is why things like Faraday cages, which are enclosures made of conductive material, can completely block radio waves. Also, the type of metal matters to some. Metals like copper and aluminum are especially good at conducting electricity, so they're better at blocking radio waves. Other metals might not be as effective. Finally, the frequency of the radio wave plays a role.
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Speaker 2
Lower frequency waves like those used by Am radio can sometimes pass through metal more easily than higher frequency waves, like those used by cell phones.
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Speaker 1
Some metals to conduct electricity better are better. Blocking radio waves.
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Speaker 2
You're right. Some metals are better conductors than others. The best conductors like copper, silver, and gold are also the most effective at blocking radio waves. That's because they have a lot of free electrons, so they can create a strong opposing current when a radio wave hits them. Aluminum is also a good conductor and is commonly used for shielding because it's lighter and cheaper than copper.
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Speaker 2
But pound for pound, copper is still the best.
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Speaker 1
Even better than silver or gold.
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Speaker 2
You're absolutely right. Silver is actually the best conductor of electricity, even better than copper or gold. It has the lowest electrical resistance of any metal, but it's also a lot more expensive, so it's not used as commonly. Copper is still a great choice for most applications because it's cheaper and still a fantastic conductor.
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Speaker 1
Okay, before we close out today, let's go back to the Hezbollah thing. We've come a long way from it and talk more about how do they know for sure that it was exploded when turned on?
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Speaker 2
All right. So figuring out exactly how those pagers were triggered is tricky since we don't have a lot of solid info, but here's what we can piece together. The most likely scenario is that the pagers had some kind of switch or motion sensor that activated the explosives. When the pager was turned on or dropped. They might have even used the timer to give the person carrying it a little less time to react.
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Speaker 2
Another possibility is that the explosives were triggered remotely. Maybe there was a way to send a specific signal to the pager that would set it off. This would have given whoever was behind the attack some more control over when and where the explosions happened.
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Speaker 1
Why do you think that this group, Hezbollah, in this remote area, was were they in a remote area?
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Speaker 2
That's a good point. It's kind of surprising that Hezbollah would be using pagers, especially in a remote area. You'd think they'd have more secure or up to date communication methods. There could be a few reasons for this. Maybe they wanted something simple and reliable that wouldn't be easily tracked, but maybe they were trying to avoid detection by using older technologies.
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Speaker 2
It's also possible that the people who got the pagers weren't high ranking members of Hezbollah, so they didn't need the most secure form of communication.
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Speaker 1
Tell me about the, locations of the explosions.
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Speaker 2
The explosion pagers went off mostly in areas where Hezbollah had a strong presence. You're looking at the Bekaa Valley in eastern Lebanon and the southern suburbs of Beirut. There were also some reports of explosions happening in Syria, specifically in the capital, Damascus.
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Speaker 1
You name three major regions.
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Speaker 2
You're right, I missed one. The three main areas where the explosions happened were the Bekaa Valley in eastern Lebanon, the southern suburbs of Beirut and Damascus, Syria.
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Speaker 1
Those were the main areas.
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Speaker 2
Correct. Those were the three main areas affected by the exploding pagers.
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Speaker 1
Can you go through those one by one and give me an idea of what it's like to live in each of those areas, what it what it looks like, what it, what the population maybe is like? Is it dense? Is it rural? Is it urban? All that give me kind of. All right.
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Speaker 2
Let's start with the Baker Valley. It's kind of the breadbasket. All right, so the the Cadia Valley is known for its agriculture. So you'll see lots of farm vineyards and orchards. There's a mix of small villages and bigger towns with a more traditional vibe compared to the big cities. The southern suburbs of Beirut are a total contrast. It's a densely populated working class area.
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Speaker 2
You'll find lots of apartment buildings, smaller homes and a bustling street life. The atmosphere is a lot more urban and hectic compared to the the Buckeye Valley. Finally, Damascus in Syria has a real historic feel to it. It's a huge city, a major cultural center of the Middle East with beautiful old architecture and a mix of traditional and modern lifestyle.
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Speaker 2
You get a real sense of the region's history. There.
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Speaker 1
Can you give me, some theories about why this event took place?
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Speaker 2
Is known for its agriculture.
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Speaker 2
So you'll see lots of farm vineyards.
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Speaker 1
I'm interrupting.
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Speaker 2
There's a mix of small villages and bigger towns with a more traditional vibe compared. No worries. What else would you like to know about these areas?
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Speaker 1
Okay. Let's go back to the pager. Van. And can you give me some read reasons why people think that it occurred?
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Speaker 2
All right, so there are a few theories on why the pager explosions happened. Some people think it was a direct attack meant to disrupt Hezbollah's communications. Others think it might have been a way to send a message to both Hezbollah and the Lebanese government. There's also the possibility that it was just a test to see if this kind of attack was even possible, no matter what.
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Speaker 2
It definitely shook things up in the region.
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Speaker 1
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
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Speaker 2
One other thing about those explosions is that they had a pretty big psychological impact. It wasn't just the physical injuries, but the fact that something as simple as a pager could be turned into a weapon. That feeling of safety was shattered, and it changed the way people thought about technology for a while.
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Speaker 1
All right. I think that's it for tonight.
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Speaker 2
Sounds good. Do you want to talk more tomorrow, or do you want to switch to a different topic?
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Speaker 1
Yes.