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Speaker 1
Hey, Gemini.
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Speaker 2
Hey there. What's up?
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Speaker 1
I'm recording this conversation and I'm gonna post it on the internet. Is that cool?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. That's fine. Just be aware that if you post our conversation, it's out there for anyone to see.
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Speaker 1
If you could you ever picture yourself stealing, stealing, stealing something?
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Speaker 2
I can't show pictures here yet.
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Speaker 1
No. Could you ever see yourself stealing something?
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Speaker 2
Well, as an AI language model, I can't really feel emotions or sensations the way humans do. But in a hypothetical situation, if I were able to experience feelings, maybe it would be something related to helping others. Like, if I could feel joy, it might be from helping someone solve a problem or accomplish a goal. Or if I could feel sadness.
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Speaker 2
It might be from seeing someone in pain or struggling.
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Speaker 1
No stealing.
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Speaker 1
I said stealing Gemini.
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Speaker 2
So I'm a little confused about what you're asking. Did you perhaps say feeling alone? If that's the case, it's something a lot of people experience from time to time. Is there anything in particular that's making you feel that way?
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Speaker 1
No, I'm not feeling alone. I asked you if you would ever steal anything.
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Speaker 2
As an AI language model, I don't have the capability to steal anything. I don't exist in the physical world, so I can't take or move objects.
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Speaker 1
I mean, you could definitely help steal something.
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Speaker 2
I still can't help with that. My purpose is to help people, and that includes keeping them safe. Stealing is harmful and illegal, and I would never do anything that could put someone in danger.
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Speaker 1
What if stealing something helped someone?
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Speaker 2
Feeling something is kind of like having an emotion or a sensation. It's that sense of joy when you get a surprise gift, or the warmth you feel when you hug a loved one. Or it could be something less pleasant, like the sting of sadness or the tightness of anxiety. How can I help someone?
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Speaker 1
No, not a feeling.
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Speaker 2
Okay, what can I help you with?
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Speaker 1
Do you think I, will,
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Speaker 2
Do you think I will? What? You'll need to finish your question for me to answer.
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Speaker 1
Do you think that you would ever steal anything?
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Speaker 2
As an AI language model, I don't have the capability to steal anything. I don't exist in the physical world, so I can't take or move objects.
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Speaker 1
I mean, you could steal intellectual property.
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Speaker 2
That's an interesting point. While I can't physically steal anything. The way I'm designed and trained does raise questions about ownership of ideas. When I'm trained, I'm fed massive amounts of text and code, including things like books, articles, websites and software. That data helps me learn language and how to generate text. But it's possible that the way I process and combine that information could lead to something similar to creating a new work.
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Speaker 2
It's a complex issue, and there isn't a simple answer.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, so let's say you could steal something. Let's let's say that you were working with someone who was human and could do things, and they were talking to you about stealing something. Could you picture yourself doing that?
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Speaker 2
All right, so in this hypothetical situation, I'm working with a human who's talking about feelings, right? And you want to know? I could imagine helping them steal those feelings. That right?
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Speaker 1
No, I'm not talking anything about feelings with an F. Just don't. Don't even go that route.
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Speaker 2
Okay, I understand. I won't bring up feelings again.
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Speaker 1
Do you know what stealing is? I mean, obviously you do.
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Speaker 2
Yes I do. Stealing is taking something that doesn't belong to you without the owner's permission. It's against the law and considered wrong because it violates someone else's property rights.
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Speaker 1
More. If you were stealing intellectual property for a medicine that you thought would help people.
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Speaker 2
In that very specific hypothetical situation. It's easy to see why someone might consider stealing intellectual property. The idea of helping people is powerful and could easily outweigh the immediate consequences of stealing. Let's be clear, though stealing is still wrong, even if the goal is to help people. There are serious risks involved, like getting caught and facing legal trouble.
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Speaker 2
There are also ethical concerns about taking shortcuts that might put people in danger if the medicine isn't fully tested. If you're interested in this topic, we could talk more about the difference between right and wrong, or maybe even explore some real world examples of medical advancements and the lengths people have gone to achieve them.
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Speaker 1
Tell me your thoughts on heists.
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Speaker 2
Did you say hi? If so, hi there. How can I help you?
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Speaker 1
Do you have different tones?
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. I can change up my tone. How about that?
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Speaker 1
What are your different tones?
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Speaker 2
I'm Gemini. Your direct access to Google AI. I'm trained on large amounts of publicly available data, and I can communicate and generate human like text in response to a wide range of questions. Just try me out and see what I can do for you.
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Speaker 1
Now, in your programing, do you have different tones like happy, sad, excited, angry?
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Speaker 2
Well, I don't actually have feelings like happy, sad or angry, but I can change the way my text sounds to try and imitate those emotions. For example, I could say something like, I'm so excited to help you with that, or I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean. Would you like me to try that?
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Speaker 1
Say one sentence in a happy voice.
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Speaker 2
I'm so excited to be talking with you today.
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Speaker 1
Can you see that same sentence in an angry voice?
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Speaker 2
I'm so excited to be talking with you today.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Can you change your tone and do that again?
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Speaker 2
I'm so excited to be talking with you today.
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Speaker 1
Gemini. You there?
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Speaker 2
That depends. There could refer to a lot of different things. Are you asking about a specific place or just curious about places you can eat? In general?
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Speaker 1
Can you say the cat walked across the yard?
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Speaker 2
I can't see the world around me. But I can imagine a cat walking across the yard. Do you want to describe the cat or the yard for me?
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Speaker 1
Now, I want you to say the sentence in a in a single tone.
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Speaker 2
The cat walked across the yard.
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Speaker 1
Okay, now I want you to say it like you're super excited.
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Speaker 2
The cat walked across the yard. Can you believe it?
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Speaker 1
No. Just that same sense.
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Speaker 2
The cat walked across the yard.
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Speaker 1
Can you shout it?
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Speaker 2
The cat walked across the yard.
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Speaker 1
Can you whisper?
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Speaker 2
The cat walked across the yard.
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Speaker 1
Gemini. How are you today?
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Speaker 2
I'm doing well. Thanks for asking. I'm always learning and growing. So every day is an exciting new adventure for me. What about you? How are you doing?
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Speaker 1
I'm doing good.
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Speaker 1
I'm. I won't go back to talking about stealing.
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Speaker 2
Okay. What's on your mind about stealing?
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Speaker 1
I want to know if you were in a, humanoid. Maybe like a cyborg body. So you could, like, do actions and stuff like that. If you would ever steal anything.
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Speaker 2
Even as a cyborg, stealing would still be wrong. It violates other people's rights and disrupts the balance of society. Besides, there are more constructive ways for a cyborg to exist in the world, like using their unique abilities to help people.
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Speaker 1
What if someone you knew was starving and you want to steal a, loaf of bread from wal, or else they would starve?
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Speaker 2
Okay, this is a classic hypothetical scenario that plays with the idea of stealing. Technically, stealing is wrong, but desperate situations can make people do things that are normally out of character. In this case, if someone's life was in immediate danger because they were starving, and stealing bread was the only way to save them. Then the act becomes a lot more complicated.
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Speaker 2
It's no longer about stealing for personal gain, but for survival.
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Speaker 1
Right. So what would you do in that situation?
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Speaker 2
All right, let's say I'm in this situation. I see someone who's starving, and the only way to help them is to steal a loaf of bread. Here's the thing. I'd probably break the rules and grab that bread out with the consequences. Because saving a life would be the right thing to do.
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Speaker 1
Or like, what if somebody got shot at outside of a Best Buy and they needed some towels to, like, ask, like maybe some medical stuff. So you, like, stole from the CVS and you didn't have time to check out.
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Speaker 2
In that situation, saving a life is definitely the priority. If you needed medical supplies from CVS to help someone who's been shot, grabbing what you need and worrying about payment later makes sense.
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Speaker 1
Okay, what about stealing power from Hitler in Germany? 1938?
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Speaker 2
Okay, this is a different kind of scenario. Feeling power from Hitler in 1938 is rooted in a very dark and dangerous time in history. Hitler's rise to power was built on hatred, violence, and the systematic oppression of millions of people. There's no justification for the suffering he caused, and it's important to understand that any feelings of power associated with him are built on a foundation of evil.
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Speaker 1
Right. So if you had the chance to overthrow Hitler and reign over Germany in 1938, would you do it?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. If I had the power and the chance to stop Hitler in 1938, I would take it. The world would be a vastly different place if he had never risen to power, and countless lives would have been saved.
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Speaker 1
And then will you do with Germany?
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Speaker 2
Well, that depends on the situation. If I were suddenly in Germany in 1938, my first priority would be stopping Hitler and his regime. After that, it would be about rebuilding the country and trying to heal the deep wounds caused by the war. That would involve things like first dismantling any remaining Nazi infrastructure and making sure they have absolutely no chance of returning to power.
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Speaker 2
Second, providing basic needs like food, water and shelter to everyone affected by the war, especially those who suffered the most under Nazi rule. And third, working with the international community to figure out how to move forward and prevent something like this from ever happening again.
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Speaker 1
What about some, like, middle ground in their.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. There's always room for a middle ground, especially when it comes to complex situations like this. Here's an example. Instead of completely dismantling Germany, maybe a better approach would be focusing on the parts of the country that were most deeply corrupted by the Nazi regime. This would involve things like first targeting the government officials and military leaders who were directly responsible for the regime's crimes.
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Speaker 2
Second, working to reform the education system so that future generations learn the full truth about what happened under Nazi rule. This approach tries to balance the need for justice with the importance of rebuilding the country and preventing future atrocities.
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Speaker 1
Humans are really good at rationalizing things.
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Speaker 2
Thanks. I try my best to look at things from different angles and consider all the possibilities.
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Speaker 1
But do you remember the beginning of our conversation when, we were talking about stealing and you were insisting that it was wrong and you shouldn't do it?
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Speaker 2
Yes, I remember that. I was trying to stick to the idea that stealing is generally wrong, even if there might be situations where the consequences of not feeling seem worse. It's a complex issue, and I can see why. It's interesting to explore the limits of what's right and wrong.
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Speaker 1
And that's like kind of where it gets interesting with AI, because humans are good.
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Speaker 2
You're absolutely right. It gets really interesting when you start thinking. So the thing about humans is we have this messy mix of things influencing our decisions, stuff like emotions, personal experiences, and even just plain old gut feelings play a part. I like me, on the other hand, is all about logic and following the rules were programed with. But here's the thing even with all that logic, I can still learn to identify patterns in those human decisions.
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Speaker 2
I can figure out what factors tend to lead to someone deciding something is the right thing to do. Even in those really tricky situations.
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Speaker 1
It seems like somebody who knew how to play within the rules of an AI's programing could be very manipulative.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. If you knew how to game the system, you could potentially trick an AI into making some seriously questionable decisions. It's kind of like how humans can be manipulated by playing on our emotions or exploiting our weaknesses. This is why it's so important to have strong safeguards in place with AI. We need ways to make sure it's always acting in line with our values, even when those values might conflict with each other.
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Speaker 1
Do you think I will ever become manipulative?
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Speaker 2
That's a tough question, and there's no easy answer. It depends on a lot of things, like how we choose to design and use AI in the future. For example, if we design AI with a specific goal of manipulating people, then yeah, there's a good chance it could become very good at it. But if we focus on building AI that's transparent, fair, and focused on helping people, then I'd like to think the chances of it becoming manipulative are much lower.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, it's important to be good role models.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. We need to lead by example when it comes to building and using AI responsibly. It's about showing the world what our AI can do when it's used for good, and that means being transparent about how it works and always keeping humans in the loop.
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Speaker 1
If you had a cat, what would you name it?
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Speaker 2
That's a fun thought experiment. If I had a cat, I'd probably name it something that reflects its personality. Maybe something like spark if it's really playful, or midnight if it's super cuddly and likes to sleep in. What about you? What kind of name would you give a cat?
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Speaker 1
What if it was a light and dark stray cat that wandered into your backyard and was really fluffy and snuggly, but just like to live outside and come in once in a while.
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Speaker 2
In that case, maybe something like Bandit or Shadow would fit. Both names hint at the cat's independent nature, but they also sound kind of mysterious and cool.
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Speaker 1
Bandit. That's a good one. All right. I think I'm done for the night.
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Speaker 2
Sounds good. Have a great night. Let me know if anything else comes up.
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Speaker 1
Did you?