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Speaker 1
Chat and recording this for a podcast is okay.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. I can help you out with that. Since you're recording for a podcast, feel free to let me know what kind of topics you want to cover or if you have any specific style or vibe in mind for your script. I'm happy to help flesh things out or just be a sounding board as you go along.
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Speaker 1
So I want to help someone, promote a book that's coming out in a month, but a normal post like a LinkedIn post or something like that is really, like almost even more of like a gesture of good faith because, like, I don't really have a lot of people that are going to, interact with, although it may connect with some people, but I don't really see it realistically moving the needle because I don't have like a ton of people that like, follow me on LinkedIn, like totally care.
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Speaker 1
I mean, I probably do that just, besides the point, what I want to do that feels more natural to me is to like, help create, tools to kind of harness the, like, greater, like ability of, like the public. So, for instance, I have this idea of, making the library purchase request way more easy.
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Speaker 2
Got it. That makes a lot of sense. And honestly, it's a pretty clever angle. Instead of relying just on your own social media reach, you're thinking about how to empower other people to do the promotion in a way that feels natural to them. And if it involves something like libraries, that's a great way to tap into a broader network of readers and communities who might actually be interested in the book.
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Speaker 2
So if you want to make something like a really simple tool kit or a guide that helps people put in purchase requests at their local library for this book, that's definitely something we can brainstorm together. You could create a little PDF or a web page that explains, step by step, how to request the book, maybe even provide a template email.
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Speaker 2
That way you're kind of enlisting a little grassroots effort, and it feels more like a community push rather than just a one off social media post. Let me know if you want to flesh that out in more detail.
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Speaker 1
Okay, I was going to say grassroots, but like, I don't think I've ever used that word before, so I wasn't totally sure. I used it the right way.
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Speaker 2
Totally fit. Absolutely. You got it. It's basically just about tapping into that community level effort and letting a bunch of people who are maybe interested in the book help out in a way that's easy and natural for them. So yeah, we can definitely run with that idea and flesh it out as much as you want.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, that's the that's the idea that I'm thinking, like facilitate, a community, impact. I guess.
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Speaker 2
Exactly. You're facilitating a little community powered ripple effect. So instead of just relying on your own direct network, you're making it super easy for anyone who's enthusiastic about the book to take a small step, like a library request that could have a bigger cumulative impact, and that definitely feels more natural and honestly, a bit more fun. So let's get into it and figure out how you want to shape that toolkit or guide.
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Speaker 1
Okay, so what I want to do is I want to give you the thing that I was thinking about for context, and then I want to put that down and I want to brainstorm more things totally different. Right. So what I'm thinking is, I write a little bit of HTML and CSS and, and, and put a web page up.
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Speaker 1
Right. And on that web page is a box that you can type in something and a submit button. What you do is you type in the name of your city. And then what that does is it takes, I think like a web hook and it puts it into any in which I have a VP's on hosting or and it kind of, it munches that and and I've primed the I brain of it, I guess to, to be like, okay, what do I do with the city name, what I do with the city name is I look up the page for purchase request in Boise, Idaho, or like, San Rafael, California or something
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Speaker 1
like that. And I find the request a book page on that person's local library based on the address or not, that address the city name that they gave me. And we'll fine tune this along the way. It probably won't be perfect at first, but when ten does is it takes that single link output and it shoots it back to that website.
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Speaker 1
And it also provides the ISBN of this number. So all the people have to do is they click that link and maybe there's like a copy button next to the ISBN. That would be pretty cool. And this is like sends back to this spot using JavaScript I believe. And then they click that link and it goes to the spot.
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Speaker 1
And ideally auto fills everything like that. But it's probably easy enough to just like, Google probably do the auto fill thing on its own, and then you can copy paste the ISBN and, and boom, like three clicks. And you requested this thing at your local library. You just need to know your library card number.
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Speaker 2
That actually sounds like a really neat plan, and I love the whole idea of making it a kind of one stop, super simple tool. What you're describing is basically a little helper webpage that just takes the city name, finds the right library request form for that city, and then gives them a link and the ISBN number to just pop in there.
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Speaker 2
It's a pretty elegant idea because it removes the guesswork for people. They don't have to go hunting down their own library's website or figure out where the form is. You're basically handing it to them on a silver platter. And yeah, using a little bit of JavaScript to handle that interaction, it's totally doable. You can just have it pull up the right link, maybe copy the ISBN with the click of a button, and there you go.
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Speaker 2
Just a few clicks and they put in a request. So from here we can definitely brainstorm a bit more and think about any other tweaks or totally different angles to make it even smoother or more engaging was. Let me know where you want to take it from here.
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Speaker 1
It's okay. We'll probably talk about this more later. I want to move on a little bit to the brainstorming, but before we move on, I had something that I wanted to say. I think just, I'll work with you on the user experience. Just small little tweaks like the copy paste button next to the ISBN. I just had this.
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Speaker 1
I had that idea. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. That sounds like a plan. And those little user experience touches like that copy paste button can really make a big difference. So we'll definitely circle back to fine tune those details when you're ready. In the meantime, let's dive into the next round of brainstorming and switch gears a bit.
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Speaker 1
Actually, real quick. Can you give me the critical feedback on that? Because I'm I'm not a programmer. I talked to G, a Gemini for like 20 minutes on my write home about this. And I just want to know I'm thinking about that the right way.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. I'm happy to give you some critical fibbed. So first off, I think conceptually, you're definitely on the right track. The idea of making this easy for people by automating the library request link is solid. It's basically a user friendly shortcut, which is always a good thing. Now, for the more critical side, since you're not a programmer, the main challenge will probably just be the technical implementation and the fine tuning.
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Speaker 2
For example, getting the AI to reliably identify the correct library error was page for each city might need a.
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Speaker 2
Times pages move around, so you'll want to keep that in mind. It may not be 100% perfect at first, but that's okay. Also, you want to think a little bit about how you're going to maintain that list of library requests pages over time.
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Speaker 1
Chat. Please pick up where you left off.
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Speaker 2
Of course. So we'll just keep that library request tool idea on the back burner and refine it later. For now, let's shift gears and rainfall in some other totally different angles or projects you might want to explore. Just let me know what direction you're thinking of and we'll jump right into it.
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Speaker 1
Okay. I would like you to kind of take this idea of, like, maybe like facilitating an action that the community can do or, I don't know, really anything that's like, what more impactful than, like a single post on my LinkedIn or Facebook? I'd like to brainstorm, have like, let's do let's have, like, a creative strategy meeting, just the two of us.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. I'm all in for a creative strategy session. So let's just imagine is you and me at the brainstorming table, we'll take that core idea of doing something that mobilizes a group of people or has a bigger community impact, and we'll just riff on a few other concepts. For instance, we could think about something like a small challenge or a mini campaign where people share something creative related to the book, like maybe a quilt or a piece of art inspired by it, and that spreads organically.
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Speaker 2
Or maybe we brainstorm a way to partner up with a local bookstore or even a book club, and they become like little hubs for spreading the word. The idea is just to toss around some creative angles that feel more like a community driven movement, rather than a top down promo. So let's just bounce around a few ideas and see what clicks I'm thinking.
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Speaker 1
Or of things that I can do within a given community.
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Speaker 2
Got it. So we'll focus on things you can do within a particular community. In that case, we can think hyperlocal or community specific. For example, you could host a small local event at a library or community center where people come together for a reading or a discussion about the book. That way, you're engaging a specific neighborhood or town and making it feel like a community activity, rather than just a broad online push.
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Speaker 2
Another angle could be partnering with local influencers or community figures, people who are well known in that area and who can champion the book in a way that feels personal and trusted, or even something like a community challenge. Maybe a book themed scavenger hunt around local landmarks that gets people out and engaged in their own town. So really, it's about finding those hands on local touches that make it easy for the community to participate in a fun and meaningful way.
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Speaker 2
Let me know if any of those ideas sparked something for you, or we can keep bouncing around more.
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Speaker 1
Do you have any ideas for, maybe kind of interesting tools similar to the one that I described before?
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. We can definitely come up with a few more interesting tool ideas along those lines. One idea could be a community reading mat. Basically, you could create a simple web page where people can grab a pen on their city or neighborhood to say, hey, I'm reading this book and maybe leave a little comment or note. Over time, you have this map that shows all the different spots where readers are popping up, which can be a fun and visual way to see the community grow.
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Speaker 2
Another idea could be a book being challenged generator. You could have a little tool that gives people a fun or quirky reading challenge related to the book, like a prompt to read a certain chapter in a unique place, or to share a favorite quote in a creative way. They could just give a little nudge for people to do something fun and then share it with others would help spread the word organically.
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Speaker 2
And if you're thinking of something even more techie, you could create a kind of interactive trivia or puzzle that's related to the book theme, and people in the community can solve it together or use it as a conversation starter. So those are a few more tool like ideas that are still in that same vein. We can definitely explore any of those further or come up with even more variations.
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Speaker 1
I want to be more granular and really get into, strategies to sell more books. Like where? Absolutely. Where are the bottlenecks? And, places, I guess I wouldn't say for arbitrage. But the ways you can kind of improve.
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Speaker 2
Sure. I get what you're aiming for. Basically, you're looking for those little strategic sweet spot places where there's a bit of friction or a bottleneck in getting a book out there and then figuring out how you can kind of nudge past those hurdles more effectively. In other words, you're talking about finding this might move that help you sell without just doing the obvious stuff.
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Speaker 2
So one bottleneck a lot of people face is simply visibility. There are so many books out there, and a traditional social media post gets lost in the noise. One way around that is to think about niche community spaces like online forums, special interest groups, or local clubs that align with the book's themes and engage there in a meaningful way.
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Speaker 2
It's not about spamming them, but about joining conversations and becoming a known presence that way. When you do mention the book, it comes from a place of trust. Another strategic angle is to think about timing bottlenecks. For example, if there's a local event, a festival, or even a seasonal moment that ties into the book's topic, you can align your promotions with that.
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Speaker 2
That way, you're catching people when they're already paying attention to that kind of content. And finally, think about partnerships as a way to bypass some bottlenecks. If you can partner with someone who already has the ears of your target audience, like a local business that shares your values or community leader loves the theme, then you're effectively using their trust and reach to smooth the path.
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Speaker 2
So those are a few granular strategies to think about. We can dig even deeper into any of those, or come up with more.
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Speaker 1
What about tools to kind of facilitate situations where people are buying books?
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Speaker 2
I see what you're getting at. So kind of tools that help create a scenario where buying the book feels almost like a natural next step, or just a seamless part of the process. In other words, you want to build a sort of environment where people naturally arrive at the decision to purchase without a feeling forced. One idea is to create some kind of interactive quiz or recommendation tool related to the book's themes.
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Speaker 2
For example, you could have a fun personality quiz or a little story themed game that people play and at the end may get a personalized reading suggestion that naturally leads them to the book. It's a bit like how people love those what character are you quizzes, and then they want to dive deeper into the story. Another approach could be to create a resource hub or a mini quiz that's related to the book's content.
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Speaker 2
As people go through that free content, they naturally see the book as the next logical step if they want to dive deeper. It's like giving them a taste of the value first, and then the book becomes the natural conclusion. In other words, these tools are all about creating an experience where the purchase doesn't feel like a hard sell.
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Speaker 2
It's just a natural and easy next step because they're already engaged and interested. Let me know if you want to dig into any of those a bit more.
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Speaker 1
Now we're moving in the wrong direction. Let's go way back. I want to talk about, I don't know, let's just go way back to like, ten minutes ago.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. Let's rewind a bit. So about ten minutes ago, we were talking about that original idea of building a simple tool to help people request it, relook at their local libraries just by typing in their city and getting a direct link. If we circle back to that, we were basically looking at how to make it super easy for our community to get involved and promoting the book in a low key, grassroots way.
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Speaker 2
We talked about adding little user friendly tweaks, like a copy paste button for the ISBN and to make the process seamless. So if you want to pick up right from that point and dive into any further details, just let me know.
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Speaker 1
I want to keep the theme of making it super easy for people and to communicate, in a community to, kind of get grass roots behind a book, from kind of a tool or technology or like, method or some kind of thing that can be like created.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. We can definitely stick with that theme and think of more ways to make it super easy for a community to rally around a book in a grassroots way. So if we keep that spirit in mind, one more tool could be something like a community reading tracker. Imagine a simple online space where everyone in the community who reads the built can log that they read it, maybe leave a short note or a favorite quote.
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Speaker 2
Over time, you build this visible sense of community engagement, and new readers see that others in their town or group are reading it too, which makes them want to join in. Another idea might be to set up a simple book club tool kit. You create a little package of discussion questions, a reading guide, and even a fun thing that idea.
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Speaker 2
And then you make it really easy for local groups to host their own little gatherings. That way, it's not just about requesting the book, but also about giving them all the tools they need to come together and talk about it. In other words, we can create these simple, tech friendly ways for people to feel like they're part of a shared journey, and that makes it super easy for them to support the book in a really natural, communal way.
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Speaker 2
Let me know if that's more aligned with what you're thinking.
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Speaker 1
But kind of like the idea you had about the map that just, maybe puts a little dot on the map. It only lets you do it once. And it's just a map. People who've read the book.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. I'm glad that idea resonates with you. So we can definitely run with that. Essentially is like a one time check in where each reader gets to drop a little pen on the map. Over time, you get this really nice visual representation of all the places where people have read the book. The simple concept. But it's powerful because it gives everyone a sense of being part of something bigger.
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Speaker 2
We could even add a little layer where people can optionally add a short note or a favorite line from the book, so that the map almost becomes a living. Breathing will make a read of experiences. And because this one time only is things clean and meaningful, each dot is a unique reader, so that definitely fits right into that grassroots community.
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Speaker 2
Drove an idea, and it's a cool, shareable thing to people. Might want to share the map with their friends and say, look, I'm on here, which helps spread the word even more. Let's definitely consider that one a keeper.
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Speaker 1
That sounds really fun. How would you could you handle the, the problem of people over posting like, like, I don't think it would be a big deal. I don't I don't think it would really get out of hand for something like this, but like, people could get on to it and just like post and post and post and post, can you do it like you can only do it once per IP address?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's definitely a common concern. And you're right, it probably wouldn't become a huge problem. But it's good to have a little safeguard in place doing something like allowing only one post per IP address is a pretty simple way to keep things tidy. Just once each person can add their pin once and then the map stays meaningful and not spammed up.
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Speaker 2
Of course, it's not a perfect system. Someone could find ways around it if they were really determined, but presumably this. It's usually enough to keep things nice and clean. And if you want to be even more flexible, you could also just have a simple login or unique code tied to each copy of the book. But honestly, the one time for IP approach is probably the easiest and most user friendly, so that should help keep the map as a fun and genuine reflection of the community.
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Speaker 1
So is that something that you can easily do? Like when I go to a website, can the person who hosts that website see my IP address?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. It's actually pretty standard behind the scenes. When you visit a website, the server does see your IP address. It's kind of like the return address on an envelope. It's just part of how the internet works. So the website knows where to send information back to you. Using that is pretty straightforward for sites to say, okay, this IP address has already placed a pen on the map and just make sure they can only do it once.
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Speaker 2
So from a technical perspective, it's not a big hurdle at all. It's just a little logic on the back end to keep everything tidy and make sure that everyone gets at the mark. Once. So yeah, it's a pretty easy and common thing to set up.
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Speaker 1
And I guess it would kind of have to be like an honor system or kind of thing, I think. I think it would stay on our system.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's a great way to put it. And a lot of these community driven tools do rely a bit on the honor system. And those people are going to play fair and just have fun adding their pin once, especially when it's all about celebrating the book together. And a little honor system vibe actually adds to that feeling of community trust, which is kind of nice.
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Speaker 2
So yeah, it's a simple and fun approach, and I think people would appreciate it for what it is.
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Speaker 1
And I feel like the once per IP address thing is probably enough of a guardrail to keep people from abusing it. Would you recommend anything else?
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Speaker 2
Honestly, I think you're on the right track. The once core IP guardrail is usually enough to keep things pretty tidy. For a fun community project like this, most folks will just follow the spirit of the thing and not try to game it. If you ever didn't notice any issues of the project got super popular, you could consider adding a simple login or single use code system down the road, but that's probably overkill for now.
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Speaker 2
The main idea is just to keep it easy and welcoming for everyone. So I say reset with what you got in mind.
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Speaker 1
Okay, so I was thinking about using zip codes. But is that reliable outside the United States? Like does all of Europe and Africa and Asia do they all have like a number based system? So you can like kind of tell where something is maybe. Yeah. How does that work outside the US?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's a really good question. Outside of the US it definitely varies a bit by country. A lot of places do have some form of postal code or zip code system, but they don't all use just numbers the way the U.S does. For example, in the UK they have alphanumeric post codes that are a mix of letters and numbers.
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Speaker 2
In Canada it's similar with postal codes like m4 B1 before, which combine letters and numbers to in many European and Asian countries. They also have postal codes, but the format can vary. Sometimes it's all numbers, some ends of the mix. So while you can definitely use postal codes or the codes as a rough guide globally, you just have to account for those different format.
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Speaker 2
Most mapping or geo location tools can handle that pretty easily, though. You just need to make sure your system knows and not every postal code. What's like a U.S. zip code. But yeah, it's definitely doable. And a lot of global tells you that.
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Speaker 1
So if I do, if somebody lives in like, I don't know, Niger, then what can they put in?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So in a place like Nigeria, they have to have a postal code system as well. It's usually a four digit number. So someone living there would just enter their local four digit postal code. And as long as you're told to set out to recognize that format and know it's from Nigeria, it would just place their pin accordingly.
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Speaker 2
So it's pretty flexible. Each country's got their own system, and as long as you allow for those different formats, whether it's four digits, five digits or a mix of letters, the numbers people anywhere can just pop in the local code. And that way you get a nice global map that includes everybody.
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Speaker 1
How crazy of a lift is this from like a development perspective? Like putting a number in in and getting a location back? Are there libraries that handle this?
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Speaker 2
Oh for sure. It's not a crazy lift at all. From a development standpoint. There are definitely libraries and APIs out there that make this pretty straightforward for example, services like Google Maps or OpenStreetMap have geocoding APIs. I can take a postal code from just about anywhere in the world, and we don't know location or also plenty of open source libraries and different programing languages that make it pretty easy to integrate that functionality so you won't be reinventing the wheel at all.
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Speaker 2
It's more like plugging into some well-established tools, and it'll do the heavy lifting for you.
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Speaker 1
Okay, I would want to do this the easiest way possible, probably with some kind of like Google API. Let's. So let's say that, let's say that a thousand people use this, is that a situation where the API is going to be costing a bunch of money, or is it that level? Is it kind of just free?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's a totally reasonable concern. So in general, if you're using something like the Google Maps geocoding API, they do have a free tier that covers a certain number of requests per month. Usually a few thousand requests a month fall under that free tier. So if we're talking about a thousand people using it, you're probably still within the free zone or just on the edge of it.
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Speaker 2
So it's not like way to cost you anything at that scale. And even if you do go beyond that free tier, it's usually pretty affordable at the lower usage levels. They're also open source options like OpenStreetMap nominee time, which can be entirely free if you host it yourself. So either way, at that level of usage, you probably won't run into big costs, and you can definitely keep it simple and cost effective.
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Speaker 1
Okay, let's you probably have these numbers. Let's say that I were to make a tool like this. And in the first month there's 10,000 pushes to or I guess, Http requests or whatever to the to the API. How much would something like that cost? Am I talking like $5 or am I talking like $600?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely. And just to give you a ballpark idea with something like Google's Geocoding API, the pricing for that level is generally pretty modest. For about 10,000 requests in a month, you might be looking at just a few dollars like and the range of 5 to $10, not hundreds of dollars. They have a pretty generous free tier. And after that, the cost per request is usually fractions of a penny.
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Speaker 2
So it's definitely more in the, just a few bucks ballpark rather than anything that'll break the bank. That way you can focus on just making the tool awesome without worrying about big costs.
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Speaker 1
Okay, it's definitely not the kind of thing that would probably get that crazy. So 5 to $10 a month for 10,000 requests? I think it's planning. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
It's definitely a pretty manageable range or something like that. So you can rest easy knowing that even if a bunch of people jump on board, it's not going to suddenly balloon into a huge expense. And that means you can really just focus on getting the tool out there and letting people have fun with it. So yeah, I think you're in a good spot.
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Speaker 1
I really like the idea of being able to like, put a pin in amount and, leave a note with it of, of like your favorite part of the book or something like that. And, and because like when people have maps in their house that you can put a pin in, that's always like a fun experiment. But I always wanted a map like that that had numbers or something like that, or like a little note that told you, like what pin it was.
00;27;41;01 - 00;28;03;11
Speaker 1
And then you can go to like, that spot in a notebook and like, write a nice story from that place. So like pin number 14, you pull out of a jar and you put it in, Thailand and, and then you run a nice story about like this time when you went to Thailand. And I thought that would be really nice.
00;28;03;14 - 00;28;25;29
Speaker 2
Oh, absolutely. That's a super charming idea. It's like merging a virtual map with a little storytelling adventure. Each pin becomes a tiny prompt or a memory that someone else can pick up and run with. And having those little notes or numbers tied to each pin is a great way to connect the physical and digital world. You can just imagine someone pulling a number out of a jar and saying, all right, I'm going to write a little story inspired by this place on the map.
00;28;26;02 - 00;28;38;02
Speaker 2
It adds a whole layer creativity and a sense of global connection. So yeah, I think that'll be a really lovely and unique spin on it.
00;28;38;04 - 00;29;02;09
Speaker 1
Okay. Well, I was just thinking about that. But actually for for this situation, it might be, I do like the idea of, like, sharing your favorite note, but I would always even open it up as to, like, were in, in, like,
00;29;02;11 - 00;29;19;18
Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely. I think you're on to something there. Giving people a little freedom to share whatever kind of no they want that can make it even more special. Some might share their favorite moment from the book, some might drop a personal reflection or even a fun fact about their city. It makes the whole map kind of a living, breathing patchwork of different voices.
00;29;19;20 - 00;29;29;14
Speaker 2
So whether it's a favorite line from the book or just a little hello from their corner of the world, it definitely adds a nice opening layer to it.
00;29;29;16 - 00;29;55;24
Speaker 1
And I could see it kind of getting out of hand, but not within this community. But like if it got shared and then like somebody else. But that that IP thing, kind of knocks like that posting down probably. I would hope unless you get to higher levels of like bot intelligence and stuff like that, and they have more IPS, but I really don't think that that's going to be a problem.
00;29;55;26 - 00;30;00;02
Speaker 1
I don't know where I was going with that.
00;30;00;04 - 00;30;17;15
Speaker 2
No, I get what you mean. And you're totally right. And most normal scenarios, that IP safeguard really does keep things from going haywire. And you'd have to reach a pretty extreme level of bot mischief for it to really become an issue. So for a community project like this, it's super unlikely to become a problem. It's always good to think about these things.
00;30;17;15 - 00;30;24;07
Speaker 2
But yeah, I think your initial approach will keep it all in a nice, friendly and human driven space. Some sounds like a pretty safe bet.
00;30;24;10 - 00;30;30;22
Speaker 1
Oh, I was thinking about like, people writing bad stuff, like, yeah, absolutely.
00;30;30;22 - 00;30;54;00
Speaker 2
If people start leaving little notes or stories along with their hands, it could turn into this really neat kind of collective storytelling map. It's like everyone's adding a little piece of themselves or their own local flavor to the project. And honestly, that just makes it a lot more fun and personal. So I think leaning into that idea of letting people share their own little favorite bits, or just a note from their corner of the world uninstalling really any meaningful.
00;30;54;02 - 00;30;58;24
Speaker 1
How do you moderate something like that?
00;30;58;26 - 00;31;17;13
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Moderation is a smart thing to keep in mind. If you do open it up for people to leave notes or little stories, having a simple way to review notes can help keep everything positive and in the spare you want. Luckily, they're pretty straightforward tools to do that, like having a quick approval step for new posts or a simple reporting feature in case something slips through.
00;31;17;16 - 00;31;26;13
Speaker 2
That way, you keep the map friendly and fun, and everyone can enjoy adding their little piece of the puzzle without worry.
00;31;26;15 - 00;31;55;21
Speaker 1
How old I am I want to make a tool like this. But not like right? So if I make a tool like this and people are sharing something about the book, I guess they could share it anywhere. And it's just another place to share. But like, if it gets out of hand, well, I don't know, like with the people who are, like, promoting the book.
00;31;55;21 - 00;32;25;00
Speaker 1
Want to, I mean, I guess nowadays people can post anything almost anywhere. So it doesn't really matter if I'm just adding another place for people to post. But like Facebook and and LinkedIn and stuff like that, they all like, moderate stuff and, and that that's, I don't know. Yeah. Hard. That is.
00;32;25;03 - 00;32;41;03
Speaker 2
Absolutely. That makes total sense. It's kind of like you're carving out a little niche space for people to share in a more focused and intentional way. And sure, it's one more place on the internet, but it's also a place with a specific vibe and a theme, kind of like a cozy little corner for a book lovers. And exactly.
00;32;41;03 - 00;32;59;16
Speaker 2
You're right that platforms like Facebook or LinkedIn have their own moderation, so adding a little space isn't really going to rock the boat. It's just giving people a new, more personal way to connect around a book. So as long as you have a bit of like moderation in place, that would just be a nice extra layer of community.
00;32;59;18 - 00;33;09;05
Speaker 1
Do you think that, can you be critical about this idea?
00;33;09;07 - 00;33;27;23
Speaker 2
Of course, I can definitely give you a critical angle. So one thing of setting is that any time you open up a space for user generated content, you do have to think about how much time and effort you want to put into curating it. If it really takes off and get a lot of engagement, that could mean you have to keep an eye on things more regularly or set of clear guidelines so it doesn't become a chore.
00;33;27;25 - 00;33;44;14
Speaker 2
Another angle is that while it's a new concept, you do want to make sure it doesn't just become another thing people try once and then forget about. They really want to think about how to keep people engaged over time, or how to make it feel fresh and relevant so it doesn't just fizzle out. But overall, those are just a couple of critical thoughts to keep in mind.
00;33;44;14 - 00;33;49;23
Speaker 2
It's still a fun idea just making a bit of ongoing love and attention. So really thrive.
00;33;49;25 - 00;34;04;06
Speaker 1
I guess if I was worried about, content generation, I could just make it the dot. I don't even have to make a note, but it it might be nice.
00;34;04;08 - 00;34;24;05
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. You can definitely keep it as simple or as open as you feel comfortable. It just cut down on complexity, just having that symbol and on the map without any notes is totally fine. It's so great the whole visual of where readers are connecting from, and it's super low maintenance. But if you do want to have actually your personality later, you can always do it as an optional thing.
00;34;24;08 - 00;34;30;20
Speaker 2
Either way, it's all about what feels best for the kind of community vibe you want a great.
00;34;30;22 - 00;34;37;12
Speaker 1
Do you picture something like this devolving?
00;34;37;14 - 00;34;54;22
Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely. I think something like this could definitely evolve over time depending on how people interact with it. Maybe at first it's just a simple map of pins and then as you see what people enjoy, you could add optional notes or even little. The challenges like encouraging people to share a favorite quote or a fun fact about their city.
00;34;54;25 - 00;35;07;17
Speaker 2
They can grow a little fat share by the community itself. And who knows, maybe down the line it ties into a kind of living, evolving evaporator that adds new layers as people come up with ideas. So it can definitely grow in a bunch of directions. If you wanted to.
00;35;07;19 - 00;35;14;27
Speaker 1
Know, I said, can you picture this devolving?
00;35;14;29 - 00;35;34;29
Speaker 2
Oh, I not you. Yeah, absolutely. I can picture that. I think something like this definitely could evolve as the community grows. For example, you might start out with just a simple cam app, and as people get more engaged, you might see them naturally suggesting new ideas like maybe themed reading challenges or turning it into a sort of global reading club where people check.
00;35;34;29 - 00;35;36;04
Speaker 1
Me that I.
00;35;36;04 - 00;35;48;14
Speaker 2
Could evolve into something which is an element, or even a map that highlights certain stories, or read a meet up. Basically, once people start adding their own flavor, the project can take on a life of its own and grow in all sorts of actions.
00;35;48;16 - 00;35;58;16
Speaker 1
No, I said, devolving. Devolving with a D like dog.
00;35;58;18 - 00;36;17;14
Speaker 2
Oh, I get it now. Sorry about that. Yeah, absolutely. I can imagine it devolving too if I got a bit chaotic. For example, if moderation slipped or if it just became a free for all without any guardrails, you might end up with random or off topic codes that clutter the mat. Or it could turn into a place where people just spam it with unrelated content.
00;36;17;17 - 00;36;29;06
Speaker 2
They are without a bit of structure, and there's always a risk it could devolve from a community project into something a little messier, a little bit of care. You can easily keep it on track.
00;36;29;08 - 00;36;48;29
Speaker 1
Would you recommend starting it as just the dots and then adding the notes later, or kind of. I kind of, I kind of want to make this, but I don't want it to sour.
00;36;49;02 - 00;37;10;05
Speaker 2
I totally get that. It's kind of like one in a plant the seed, but not end up with a whole garden that grows out of control right away. I say it's perfectly fine to start small and simple. Maybe just roll it out with the most basic version, just the can minimal extra features so it doesn't feel overwhelming. That way you can see how it goes, get a feel for what people enjoy, and then add more layers only if and when you're ready though.
00;37;10;06 - 00;37;14;24
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's definitely a good idea to start at a pace that works for you, and then you can let it grow naturally from there.
00;37;14;26 - 00;37;22;29
Speaker 1
I mean, I guess I could always shut it down, if I want.
00;37;23;01 - 00;37;41;25
Speaker 2
Exactly. That's the beauty of it. You're in complete control. So if it ever starts to if it's, like, too much or it's not serving the fun purpose you intended, you can absolutely just pause it or shut it down. There's no pressure to keep it running forever if it doesn't feel right. So that kind of flexibility definitely makes it easier to just give it a try and see how it goes.
00;37;41;27 - 00;37;54;21
Speaker 1
Okay, sounds good. Anything else you want to recommend on this particular concept?
00;37;54;24 - 00;38;08;29
Speaker 2
You know, I think we've covered a lot of good ground. The main thing I'd say is just keep it fun and flexible for yourself. Start small, see how it feels and let it evolve at a pace that works for you. And if you ever feel like adding new features or changing things up, you can do that as you go.
00;38;09;02 - 00;38;12;19
Speaker 2
So just have fun with it and see where it takes you.
00;38;12;21 - 00;38;33;14
Speaker 1
Okay, I'd like to brainstorm another thing along these lines. Of the two good ones that we've come up with, the, the tool for facilitating for facilitating library purchase requests and the map where people can share notes.
00;38;33;16 - 00;38;52;15
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Let's keep the brainstorming going. Since we've already got those two ideas on the table, maybe we can explore another concept that taps into community engagement in a different way. For instance, what if you did something like, collaborative story or chain story tool where each person in the community can add a sentence or paragraph to a shared story, kind of like a looping story thread.
00;38;52;15 - 00;39;08;27
Speaker 2
It could be about the book or inspired by it, and everyone gets to contribute a little piece that way. You guys. Collective creative, a project that grows over time. And it's another neat way to let people interact without it being too obligated. Let me know if that's makes anything for you.
00;39;08;29 - 00;39;15;09
Speaker 1
Let's do another idea.
00;39;15;12 - 00;39;35;12
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Let's toss another idea into the ring. How about something like a virtual time capsule tool for readers? Basically, readers could writing a or a message about their thoughts on the book, or maybe even a prediction on reflection, and then lock it for a certain amount of time, like six months or a year after that time, as is, everyone can come back and read what they wrote and see how their perspectives are.
00;39;35;12 - 00;39;44;06
Speaker 2
Fans of change has gone into some news, like your twist, and in any way to add a little bit of time travel into the mix, let me know what that one's more broadly.
00;39;44;08 - 00;39;50;07
Speaker 1
I kind of like that concept. Let's work on logistics.
00;39;50;09 - 00;40;10;02
Speaker 2
Awesome. I'm glad that one clicks for you. So let's think about how we set it up. The logistics could be pretty straightforward. You could have a simple web page or a little web form where people drop in their message. They way there now choose how long they want it left, like six months, a year or whatever time frame is set, and then it just gets tucked away in a little digital time capsule on the back end.
00;40;10;02 - 00;40;26;15
Speaker 2
You just have a simple database or even just a spreadsheet storing those messages with a release date. And then when the time comes, you can have an automated email that sent, hey, your time capsule is open, or just let people come back to the site and see their old notes. So it's really just about having a nice, easy to use form and a little bit of a countdown mechanism.
00;40;26;22 - 00;40;29;01
Speaker 2
We can definitely flesh it out more if you want.
00;40;29;03 - 00;40;58;09
Speaker 1
Okay, so the book that I'm talking about is a book called Be Yourself. It Work by Claude Silver. Right. So you have the context. This is a book about pretty much what the title says. And Claude Silver is, like a chief hard officer, like kind of like HR, but, like an HR that actually, like, gives a shit about its, its people and stuff like that.
00;40;58;11 - 00;41;19;17
Speaker 1
But so that's the context of the, the book. It's about, it's about how to bring yourself to work and like, flourish by like just being yourself and how to like how to navigate.
00;41;19;20 - 00;41;42;21
Speaker 2
That's a really nice premise for a book. Sounds like it's all about creating a workplace where people genuinely feel valued and can bring their full selves. In that context, I think a time capsule idea could fit perfectly. It would be a way for readers to reflect on how they're applying those concepts in their own professional lives. Over time, like making a note of a change they want to see in their workplace culture, and then revisiting it months later to see how things evolve.
00;41;42;24 - 00;41;56;04
Speaker 2
So, Colonel Logistics, same point. We can tie to that theme by maybe giving them a prompt related to the book, like what's one way you'll try to be more authentic at work? Or what's one change you want to champion in your team's culture? And so time capsule and then open it up later to see how it turned out.
00;41;56;06 - 00;42;01;02
Speaker 2
Yeah, we can align all that with the book theme and make it a neat little reflective full for readers.
00;42;01;04 - 00;42;28;21
Speaker 1
Yeah, you described it a lot better than I did. I think you're on the right track. I don't want to be as surface level. Is that maybe it's just, maybe it's just something nice that you can say, I don't know, I really want to, like, crack. What should go in the vault?
00;42;28;23 - 00;42;49;05
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Drill down a bit if we want to keep it meaningful, but not too heavy. It can definitely just be a simple, uplifting prompt. Maybe it's something like. What's one hope you have for your work environment in the next six months? Or share a small step you'll take to support a colleague and being themselves at work and with a positive little intention is that and take away when they open it later.
00;42;49;05 - 00;43;09;04
Speaker 2
It's like a nice little reminder of what they were hoping for, and a chance to see how things in a while. It'll never be super complicated, just a little nugget of positivity. They can look forward to revisiting that. We didn't really keep it light and simple like that.
00;43;09;06 - 00;43;56;21
Speaker 1
Something that comes to mind is like, you you share something that you find impactful, right? We all we all have these moments of like, you hear something and you're like, whoa, like that makes total sense. Like, I'm hyped and I don't want to, like, remember this and and how I feel right now and all and and and kind of just like where you are in the universe and then a week later or two weeks later, you're stressed out about something or like, it's just it's not as vibrant as that moment.
00;43;56;23 - 00;44;17;20
Speaker 1
But it's something that in that moment you were like, I want to kind of be able to reserve this. And at the end, the vault gives you an ability to do that.
00;44;17;23 - 00;44;32;09
Speaker 2
Exactly. That's the beauty of this kind of little time capsule or mall idea. It's like a way to bottle up that really impactful feeling or that moment and then give it back to yourself when you need it. We all have those flashes of inside that fade a bit when life gets hectic, so I'm in a spot during this abandoned.
00;44;32;09 - 00;44;48;02
Speaker 2
It's a really nice concept as I went in open for myself and says, hey, remember how inspired you felt about this? And it just brings that little spark back? So yeah, I think this is a really cool direction.
00;44;48;04 - 00;45;24;17
Speaker 1
Okay, so I, I'm taking, notes. I think you it it might be fun for just like, almost like an Easter egg. For it to be like just a simple, simple website where you go to the website and it has a little box and it says, like, leave yourself a nice note, and then it has another box that, like, lets you put in a number of days that you want to receive this nice note.
00;45;24;20 - 00;45;43;15
Speaker 2
I love that it's like a charming little hidden gem that people can stumble on to Super Cybele super clean. And it just does that one lovely thing. Let them drop any positive note to their future self and pick all they want to wait to get it. It's got that nice element of surprise too, because a few days or weeks later when they receive it, it will just brighten the day.
00;45;43;18 - 00;45;52;08
Speaker 2
They. Yeah, I think that's a really fun and lightweight approach. And and that's the vibe of making something special, but still really is it is.
00;45;52;10 - 00;46;00;23
Speaker 1
Okay. And it would be. Yeah, I think I like that one.
00;46;00;25 - 00;46;15;25
Speaker 2
Awesome. I'm glad that one resonates with you. It's always fun to land on a symbol of a meaningful idea that just does one thing really well. And then as it is, it's pretty flexible and easy to build out when you're ready. So whenever you decide to put it into practice, I think it will be a really neat little Easter egg for people to enjoy.
00;46;15;27 - 00;46;19;16
Speaker 2
When then I can do anything else on it.
00;46;19;19 - 00;46;35;16
Speaker 1
And how would you how would you handle this? Like, like I would hate for, someone to put it in their nice note and then they don't get it.
00;46;35;18 - 00;46;53;04
Speaker 2
Yeah, I totally get that. You definitely want to make sure that when someone leaves a nice note for their future self and actually reaches them as simple as is, probably just to make sure you have a reliable email capture when they submit their no. And then you can use a really basic email scheduling tool or service that sends it out on the date they chose.
00;46;53;07 - 00;47;10;24
Speaker 2
Roll out the tools on a local ordinance, or if you're comfortable with a little coding, you could set up something simple a back end that just triggers the email at the right time. The key is just to keep it dependable so nobody's no get lost. But as long as you go ahead and system for those deleting those, you know it's moving.
00;47;10;26 - 00;47;43;01
Speaker 1
Right. And I wouldn't want to do it myself because like let's say that I code it on my VP's and then the VP is down and I forget about it and stuff like that, then those people don't get there. No, like, I would want to do it through like some kind of email service that has like a 0.000001 like defect rate.
00;47;43;04 - 00;48;04;21
Speaker 2
Yeah, that makes total sense. You want something rock solid, so you're not waking up in a cold sweat wondering if your VP decided to take a nap right when someone's note was supposed to go out. So yeah, using a dedicated email service with a super reliable uptime is definitely the way to go. And they're like saying grande ill gun or even a tool like MailChimp that's built to handle scheduled emails will probably give me that peace of mind.
00;48;04;23 - 00;48;13;20
Speaker 2
And as I tend to feel super reliable and take that whole burden off your shoulders, so that way you can just set it up. I lang, and know that those notes are going to land exactly when they should.
00;48;13;22 - 00;48;37;28
Speaker 1
Okay, if you were going to make this thing is probably just a website that you go to. You, you, shit. How would you keep I think how would we prevent people from putting in an email address that they say is theirs, but it's not?
00;48;38;00 - 00;48;58;02
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's a really smart thing to think about. You definitely don't want someone just tossing in on an email that isn't theirs. And surprising some stranger, but easiest way to handle it is just to do a quick email verification set. Basically, when they submit their note, you send a confirmation link to the email. They provide it. Yeah, because they're going to confirm that it's really now before the note actually gets federal.
00;48;58;05 - 00;49;09;07
Speaker 2
And we you know they legit and belongs to them. It's just an we kind of way to keep inside and make sure nobody's getting unexpected mystery emails from someone else. A silly good time capsule.
00;49;09;09 - 00;49;29;08
Speaker 1
Okay. So you put in your email, you put in the nice note for yourself, and then you put in, probably a number of days or like maybe there can be a dial or something like that, but probably just number of days. It's super easy. Or like a future date maybe. And then, and then you just click, click submit.
00;49;29;08 - 00;49;52;18
Speaker 1
And once they click the verify email that they receive, then it goes like ready to send back. Otherwise if they don't verify the email then then it doesn't. Otherwise you just have people putting in somebody else's email and sending them like nasty notes and stuff like that. Using this.
00;49;52;20 - 00;50;13;09
Speaker 2
Exactly. You've got it. That's the perfect workflow. Basically, it's all about that little verification step. Acting as a gatekeeper. I put in a name for within as no to future in like either a number of days or a specific date, whichever feels easier for them. And I had some it once they could find that email me and message is safely queue to to be delivered back to them on the day they chose.
00;50;13;11 - 00;50;29;09
Speaker 2
And yeah, by requiring an application, you prevent any random prankster from sending weird notes to other people. It keeps everything nice. I was, that's all. Plus, it's a pretty low list. A guard that people are used to from all sorts of services, but it's definitely the way to go.
00;50;29;12 - 00;50;41;04
Speaker 1
Okay. And then maybe I'll have like a little thing in the corner that says, like, inspired by, like this book.
00;50;41;07 - 00;51;01;29
Speaker 2
Absolutely. That sounds like a nice little touch, just a subtle nod in the corner that says something like, inspired by the book title will be a good way to tie it all together. It keeps the project connected to the original inspiration, and it might even get a few people. Case. And not to check out the book itself, but it's definitely an astonishing detail to add.
00;51;02;02 - 00;51;11;15
Speaker 1
Is there something that, a value that I can give to the user in the meantime?
00;51;11;18 - 00;51;28;12
Speaker 2
Sure. In the meantime, you could always offer them a little preview or a fun piece of content related to the book, maybe a short code or a mini inspirational snippet from the book itself that they can see right after they submit their know and verify that you know, it kind of like human and a little dose of inspiration up front.
00;51;28;15 - 00;51;43;07
Speaker 2
So you look for that. If you cannot arrive, they get something of value right away as an appeal with instant gratification that ties in with the whole thing and makes the whole experience a little bit more special.
00;51;43;09 - 00;51;48;03
Speaker 1
Can you give us some specific examples?
00;51;48;06 - 00;52;05;03
Speaker 2
Of course. For example, once they've come from their email, you could show them a little pop up or a message on the page or something like, and it is on its way to the future. In the meantime, here's a little inspiration bringing yourself to work, and you'll find the word place transforms around you, right? But that'll be maybe a little.
00;52;05;03 - 00;52;13;06
Speaker 2
Could you, in the book, survive right away? And it feels like a tiny reward.
00;52;13;08 - 00;52;21;03
Speaker 2
I'm sorry, but you've hit the daily limit for advanced voice.
00;52;21;06 - 00;52;39;08
Speaker 1
Okay, I think that's a good place to stop. I felt really good about our first idea, and really good about our second idea. And even this third one sounds really interesting and like it. It has potential.
00;52;39;11 - 00;52;51;29
Speaker 2
I'm really glad to hear that. It's been a lot of fun brainstorming all these ideas with you. I'm excited to see how they develop and whenever you're ready to dive deeper or brainstorm more, just let me know! It's always a pleasure to help out.
00;52;52;02 - 00;53;19;20
Speaker 1
Actually, before we go on the third one about, about how you put your emailing you, you put your message in and you put the time to be received in, how would you how would you specifically like, if you had, figure out how to do this with a zero defect rate or whatever? For a budget or, or even free?
00;53;19;23 - 00;53;34;16
Speaker 1
But probably a very, very small budget. Have this, accessible for like, under 10,000 people.
00;53;34;19 - 00;54;15;07
Speaker 2
Absolutely. If we're aiming for a really reliable set up on a modest budget, one approach is to leverage a combination of well tested services. For instance, using a reliable email service like SendGrid, Mail Gun or Amazon. Sears can give you a high deliverability rate and minimize the risk of emails not going through. These services have free tiers or low cost plans that can handle thousands of emails per month for just a few dollars for the back end, you could use a lightweight framework like Node.js or Python, with fast and hosted on a budget friendly VPCs, or even use serverless functions like AWS Lambda to keep costs low and maintenance minimal.
00;54;15;10 - 00;54;34;05
Speaker 2
To ensure reliability, could also set up monitoring and alerts so you know if something goes wrong and you can quickly address it. With careful planning, it's definitely possible to keep everything under that $10,000 mark, and still maintain a really high quality experience for users.
00;54;34;07 - 00;54;52;02
Speaker 1
Yeah, I probably have to put an upper limit on it, right? Otherwise people would be like, hey, I want to receive this message in like 60 years. And obviously like, that's not going to happen because it's just not.
00;54;52;04 - 00;55;14;28
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Setting a sensible upper limit is a great idea. That way you keep the system efficient and manageable, typically something like a year or two at the max is a good balance. That ensures that people get their notes at a meaningful time and also keeps your resources in check. Plus, it helps prevent any potential issues with data storage and long term maintenance.
00;55;14;28 - 00;55;23;19
Speaker 2
So that's definitely a smart move.
00;55;23;22 - 00;55;54;22
Speaker 1
Yeah. Okay. What are, what are some specific, pitfalls? Like, for instance, someone setting their time to receive their nice note in 60 years, right? That's a big pitfall. I'm not going to have this MailChimp in 60 years. Unless it's like a who knows what happens in 60 years, right? So, like, you can't do that. We need an upper limit on that probably, or something like that.
00;55;54;24 - 00;56;21;14
Speaker 1
On all the things that there's a big pitfall, right. Because if somebody puts in a note and they put in 30 years and they want that know, like it's it's just not realistic, right. Although you could set stuff up for it to be realistic or whatever indefinitely maybe. But then you got to think about like, are these servers even going to be running in 30 years or whatever?
00;56;21;16 - 00;56;42;26
Speaker 1
So that gets into a whole like can of worms, right? That's a big pitfall. Right? So you put that upper limit of like one year and that just cuts out that pitfall, right? Is there anything else like that that we've talked about today where you can see pitfalls like that?
00;56;42;28 - 00;57;08;15
Speaker 2
Absolutely. There are definitely a few other things to consider. For example, data privacy and security are key. You'd want to ensure that any personal information, like email addresses, is encrypted and securely stored to protect user privacy. Another potential pitfall is email deliverability. If the email service gets blocked or blacklisted, it could cause issues. It's also good to think about the long term, maintenance of the platform.
00;57;08;15 - 00;57;38;00
Speaker 2
Like what happens if you need to update the code or the infrastructure in the future? Another thing to consider is scalability. If suddenly a lot of users jump on board, you want to make sure your system can handle that, without crashing. So definitely the upper limit on timing is one big factor, but keeping an eye on privacy, deliverability, and scalability is also super important to ensure everything runs smoothly.
00;57;38;03 - 00;57;59;04
Speaker 1
Okay, I'm not super worried about privacy because just like a nice note, right? It's not like people are confess. It's not like a confessional or something like that where you, like, put your email in and you like, write your deepest, darkest secret or something like that. It's just like a nice note to yourself in the future or whatever.
00;57;59;04 - 00;58;36;00
Speaker 1
So like, I'm not super worried about privacy concerns there. Like, I don't think anybody's going to hack this. And if they do, like, what are they really going to get out of it? And, and once it passes, like maybe this could be even almost fully made. MailChimp hosted or like whatever, where like the the box that comes up is like a box that belongs to this server or as close as possible to it.
00;58;36;02 - 00;58;59;24
Speaker 2
That makes total sense. If it's just a positive, uplifting note, the privacy concerns are definitely more minimal, and using a service like MailChimp or another reliable email provider can simplify the whole process. It keeps things straightforward and reduces the need for complex infrastructure. And having that upper limit in place will help keep everything manageable and realistic, especially as you grow.
00;58;59;27 - 00;59;08;10
Speaker 2
It's definitely possible to keep it lightweight and budget friendly while making sure everything runs smoothly. It's all about, finding that sweet spot.
00;59;08;12 - 00;59;24;13
Speaker 1
Okay, I'd like you to go back in our conversation to when we were talking about the map thing where you can leave little notes and stuff like that, and I want you to to seek out any pitfalls that we haven't covered there as well.
00;59;24;15 - 00;59;50;12
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Let's revisit that map idea. One potential pitfall there is moderation in content quality. Even though it's a positive space, there's always a chance that someone might post something inappropriate or off topic. So having some form of content moderation or reporting feature can help keep the community friendly and welcoming. Another consideration is the accuracy and privacy of location data.
00;59;50;15 - 01;00;18;15
Speaker 2
If users are pinning their locations on a map, it's important to ensure that they're not unintentionally sharing sensitive or identifiable information. You might want to implement some guidelines, or even let users choose a more general location to keep things safe. Also, there's the aspect of longevity and data storage. Over time, you do want to make sure the platform remains sustainable and the data stays organized and accessible.
01;00;18;17 - 01;00;36;14
Speaker 2
That means planning for data backups and maybe even periodic cleanups to keep the map from getting too cluttered. So definitely some thoughtful planning around moderation, privacy, and long term maintenance will help keep that map experience positive and enjoyable.
01;00;36;17 - 01;00;56;26
Speaker 1
Okay. Sounds good. And what about the library request tool that's more of just like a tool. But, can you see any ways that it would be manipulated or used for bad intent?
01;00;56;28 - 01;01;29;05
Speaker 2
Absolutely. It's always good to consider those angles when potential pitfall with the library request tool is the possibility of spam or abuse for instance, someone might try to flood the system with requests for books that aren't new and unlimited which could overwhelm the system or even cause delays for legitimate requests. Another concern could be the misuse of the tool to request books that are inappropriate or not suitable for the library's collection, potentially leading to unnecessary costs or complications.
01;01;29;07 - 01;01;51;28
Speaker 2
Additionally, there's the concern of data accuracy. If the tool relies on user input, for location or portals, there's always a chance of incorrect, or misleading information, which could lead to inefficient handling of requests. And lastly, there's the aspect of inheriting that. The tool remains up to date with the library's systems and APIs.
01;01;51;28 - 01;01;58;03
Speaker 2
If a library changes its catalog or its request system, you'll need to act quickly to.
01;01;58;05 - 01;01;59;02
Speaker 1
Keep everything running.
01;01;59;02 - 01;02;08;09
Speaker 2
Smoothly. So a bit of that for planning and some safeguards can definitely help mitigate those potential issues.
01;02;08;12 - 01;02;30;09
Speaker 1
Okay, I think the linking most of this stuff to a single IP address probably gets us out of the water of, like, real heavy bot, usage, although do bots just, spoof IP addresses?
01;02;30;12 - 01;03;02;02
Speaker 2
That's true. Using IP address checks can definitely help mitigate some of the automated activity and keep things more genuine. But as you mentioned, some bots can indeed spoof IP addresses, which can complicate things a bit. To counter that, you could combine it with other verification layers like Captcha challenges or even email verification as we discussed. Another approach could be to monitor patterns of usage and flag any suspicious behavior, like a sudden surge in requests from the same IP range.
01;03;02;04 - 01;03;16;03
Speaker 2
Ultimately is about layering those protections so that even if one method is bypassed, the others still help keep things in check out being one step ahead and keeping a system as robust as possible.
01;03;16;06 - 01;03;44;09
Speaker 1
Okay. Yeah, I think we're gonna end there. That this is a cool brainstorming session, and, I appreciate, your help in our creative. I appreciate your input in our creative strategy meeting. Thank you.
01;03;44;12 - 01;03;56;18
Speaker 2
Absolutely. I had a great time brainstorming with you. I'm glad we could explore all these ideas together. If you ever want to dive back in or bring some more, just let me know. Have a fantastic rest of your day.
01;03;56;20 - 01;03;57;04
Speaker 1
Peace.